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La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:40 PM Feb 2017

do you ever get the feeling that some liberal warriors are happier when Democrats are the minority

party?

their stars shine brighter? their tweets get shared more? their documentaries get more attention?

i cannot help but think that some of these people seem definitely happier as heroes of the left when the GOP rule, than when an actual Democrat is in office.

of course most of these people don't have to worry about healthcare and immigration and racism and misogyny and homophobia etc.

it's entirely possible that i am being uber cynical, but i cannot help but see some of how the heroes under GWB have risen again, and they didn't seem to do much to support Obama when he was in power or help HRC win.

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do you ever get the feeling that some liberal warriors are happier when Democrats are the minority (Original Post) La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 OP
Where were they on November 8? lapucelle Feb 2017 #1
some of them were protesting Clinton La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #2
Well, duh... lapucelle Feb 2017 #4
Indeed nycbos Feb 2017 #7
I notice this also. Those with the least to lose might find Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #3
They are also the ones, right after the election saying... sheshe2 Feb 2017 #9
YES!! La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #11
That's something I'm consistently guilty of. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #18
You tell no lies n/t JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #5
you are speaking a truth LLP. irisblue Feb 2017 #6
I would maybe modify the idea a little... FreepFryer Feb 2017 #8
Fact. sheshe2 Feb 2017 #10
I wrote an OP about it, lmao forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #12
sorry i missed your op. will you link to it? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #13
Here it is forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #14
aww. thank you La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #15
your post is so much better thought out than mine!! La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #16
the bob shrum comment is funny since he is a Kennedy guy JI7 Feb 2017 #25
yes, these people are not actually looking to make progress JI7 Feb 2017 #24
Yes, I wish they would go off to some distant land and self flagellate themselves JHan Feb 2017 #17
Oh yeah Recursion Feb 2017 #19
Some folks want to project the "misunderstood rebel" image The Polack MSgt Feb 2017 #20
I am keeping a list of their names, like Arya Stark. Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #21
a girl has no president. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #22
YES, YES, YES and many of them attacked Obama during his time in office JI7 Feb 2017 #23
Yup La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #28
BINGO! DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #26
YES lunasun Feb 2017 #27

lapucelle

(19,532 posts)
1. Where were they on November 8?
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:44 PM
Feb 2017

Protesting is so much cooler than voting. Besides, actually voting might serve to label you as "mainstream" or "part of the establishment".

Eliot Rosewater

(32,537 posts)
3. I notice this also. Those with the least to lose might find
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:51 PM
Feb 2017

these days "exciting" or "the time to shine" or whatever.

I believe we do have an opportunity now to galvanize a bunch of people who before were not paying attention but at what expense, what cost?


I think we may lose everything, making those benefits short lived and meaningless.

sheshe2

(87,567 posts)
9. They are also the ones, right after the election saying...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 03:28 PM
Feb 2017

"We can get through this." No, actually many will not make it through alive and this is not an exaggeration.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. That's something I'm consistently guilty of.
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 04:51 PM
Feb 2017

That's something I'm consistently guilty of. I keep projecting my own experiences and concerns as a straight, white, affluent male onto everyone else, naively believing that unity and patience will eventually succeed without cost.

Though I firmly believe we will succeed though unity and patience, I have to remind myself that there will be casualties; something relatively (and unfortunately) easy for a straight, white, affluent male to forget in the here and in the now.

And I hope you guys never allow me to forget that. Thanks.

FreepFryer

(7,086 posts)
8. I would maybe modify the idea a little...
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 03:19 PM
Feb 2017

...and say that in some respects, Modern Left-wing liberalism thrives better as an opposition than an incumbent effort - to defend the status quo, when it is imperfect, is far harder for a Liberal than a Conservative. And the reverse, acting to affect actual progress and improve the status quo, is a much more easily internalized intention for those on the Left than for those on the Right.

JI7

(90,549 posts)
25. the bob shrum comment is funny since he is a Kennedy guy
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 05:22 AM
Feb 2017

and while he has not won at the presidential level he has worked on many state elections which have been won and we are now seeing how important it is to win these campaigns.

can't say the same for the green party which only seems to pop up in presidential election years to attack democrats .

JI7

(90,549 posts)
24. yes, these people are not actually looking to make progress
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 04:43 AM
Feb 2017

Jill stein's tweet attacking democrats after Devos was confirmed pretty much showed what they are about.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
17. Yes, I wish they would go off to some distant land and self flagellate themselves
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 04:34 PM
Feb 2017

...write a book about the experience and sell it to themselves. Spare us the fuckery.

The Polack MSgt

(13,426 posts)
20. Some folks want to project the "misunderstood rebel" image
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 06:41 PM
Feb 2017

Some want to pretend to have a secret knowledge of the human condition

But mostly they're shallow privileged children who lack the empathy or the moral rigor to deduce the probable outcomes of their preferred policies on anybody who is not substantially similar to themselves.

Wow, that is a convoluted sentence - and that's why I usually just call them assholes

JI7

(90,549 posts)
23. YES, YES, YES and many of them attacked Obama during his time in office
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 04:37 AM
Feb 2017

instead of going after the republicans who were the ones blocking anything he tried to do and the bs benghazi and other investigations.

DonCoquixote

(13,712 posts)
26. BINGO!
Fri Feb 24, 2017, 05:52 AM
Feb 2017

what is really depressing is that many of them, both on the greater media landscape and here on DU seem to be very happy about how things turned out. Yes, they get into full oratory glory, as they talk about how much of America is doomed, usually followed by a standard "America I was never good to begin with" rant, or some allusion to the good old days that Bernie Sanders would've brought back (ignoring the fact that he told them to vote for Hillary at the end), to the "now we can finally be leftist again!"

It seriously reminds me of the "bingo" memes that I see on this site. For those here on DU that do not what I'm talking about, let me explain. Usually when someone wants to discredit someone they will make a meme on here called bingo. Instead of numbers, it will list BS excuses that people use to defend their behavior. There are all sorts of these games, ranging from the vegetarian, to one for immigration, and so on. The message these games are supposed to show is that the bigot/scumbag/weak willed will usually rattle off enough of these excuses to where you can make "bingo!" I am sure you can find some if you look, or perhaps some here will post one, especially as the people talked about in this OP are so ripe for it. The point of the meme is to distinguish between people who occasionally say one thing that sets off warnings, and people who follow a very consistent pattern of behavior that they are either unaware of, or worse, outright bullshitting.

So, let's set up our bingo board: perhaps a "I had a right to vote my conscience, and that was Jill Stein!" or "Hillary could not be trusted" or "we need to focus on class consciousness rather than social issues!" Ok, that makes three. Let's add a favorite: "now that the Clintons are gone, we can focus on reviving the left." Ok, we are close, how about "After four years of Trump, we will finally be ready to go left"...Some of the males specialize in "Women should focus on jobs, because the husbands need them, and they will ensure the winning votes!" A lot of people will follow that with "that is why Trump won 55 percent of white women!"

I think we have BINGO!

And at the risk of violating principles of both class consciousness and social justice, I will add another "I am rich enough to survive the Trump years". Let's add another "I get tired of being distrusted and blamed because I am not female/Poc/LGBT." Now, some show this clearer than others. Hell, if you want the person who inspired this meme, go ahead and peek at TedRall.com. There are times I can love him for being honest about Trump, but oh gods is he happy Hillary lost, and he talks like he is ready to start writing the purge list, as well as whining about women. Of course, all of us here can think (but dare not say for fear of kangaroo court juries) of several people on this very site that would only take 5 moves to hit bingo.

Now, let me be frank, early on, I was leaning sanders until his followers imploded in a ball of stupidity that poor Bernie could not even stuff back in the bottle. I do also believe that those Hillary entrusted to run her campaign should have been more aggressive about addressing those issues instead of getting lured into Trump's trap of "look at how much I can piss her off, my loyal deplorables!" which of course, sadly energized the yeehaws and yahoos. However, even if 4 years of Trump were to suddenly transform this country into the sort of nation that the Swedish look upon in envy, it would not be worth letting Trump play with nukes. Americans are already suffering, but even if you could rub Aladdin's lamp and ensure that no American suffered under Trump, it would still be immoral as hell, and reveal that many who are making good money being the self appointed "left" are really just a bunch of creeps willing to use US as fuel for their engines.

There is a quote from Eric Hoffer I started using back when Nader did his damage in 2000. "those who would sacrifice a generation to realize an ideal are the enemies of mankind." I will humbly add "and even greater enemies of womankind, minorities, and LGBT."

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