I want to start placing bets on what excuses the alt-left will use to not vote for Kamala in 2020

[La Lioness Priyanka]

What do you think will be the top 10 excuses.

(I posted this in AA for a reason. Are you a frequent poster in this group? NO? then consider moving along)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

1. so far I have seen: something about prosecuters cannot be progressive

something about sex workers

[bettyellen]

5. Has she been accused of promoting slavery? That seems to be a big one lately.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. LOL. that one was precious.

[bettyellen]

13. Used against HRC and Beyonc the same fucking week. Lazy, unimaginative men...

[HopeAgain]

2. Are we already "anointing" the next candidate?

I know that's not what happens, but threads like this make it sound like it is...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. yeah, i'm anointing.

and because i am personally anointing her she is sure to win the primary

[emulatorloo]

6. Only person who said anything about "anointing" was you.

They'll be lots of folks running in the primary, primary voters will choose the nominee.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. notice annointing is only used with women and POC

when white male candidates are being discussed, they are not anointed.

[Eliot Rosewater]

36. Shsshshhshhshhs, you know better than to utter the truth

[HopeAgain]

40. psst...not everything is about race or sex

You wrote a post attacking people for statements and actions they might possibly take against a presumptive candidate that hasn't even announced. The term alt-left has little meaning and is being used to paint a broad brush against people left of moderate center. If you think someone in particular is a bigot, just say so. Personally, I prefer Elizabeth Warren and hope she runs and it has nothing to do with race or sex.
I just noted how the OP sounds. You want to accuse me of bigotry, I would hope you have a little more evidence than that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

41. lol. ok guy. whatever you say.

[emulatorloo]

46. There are self-described 'leftists' who are lying about/smearing Senator Warren right now.

She's an evil corporate sell-out in the bowels of Reddit's overheated subs like wayofthebern.

I am a Warren supporter, so that bothers me and I assume it bothers you.

Leftists know exactly how hard Warren fights for us.

As to your strawman about "broad brush against people left of moderate center":

The vast majority of DU'ers are left-liberal/progressives. That's a fact. Everyone posting in this thread is on the left.

[JHan]

47. Wtf

[George II]

72. Are you serious? Methinks you may be confirming the premise of the OP.

[brer cat]

74. True, but enough of what we have seen has been about race and sex...

enough that when there is a clear difference in the treatment of PoC and/or women, we recognize it ... despite what white men tell us we see.

[JustAnotherGen]

80. Group Host

Please go. No one accused anyone of being a bigot.

And - In this Group? Race IS an issue.

It was an issue the entire primary.

[pirateshipdude]

87. Except you made it exactly that with your choice of words. Exactly that. People clearly see. Eom

[yardwork]

53. I noticed that.

[LanternWaste]

30. How so? Specifically?

"threads like this make it sound like it is..."

How so? Specifically?

[Maven]

35. It's amazing how only certain candidates are "anointed" and "crowned"

as though they are being forced on everyone without earning their stripes.

What is it they all seem to have in common? Hmm.

[bettyellen]

51. Do you think people will start calling her "St Harris"? I don't. LOL

Probably princess though. You know how nasty the misogynists get with their coronation bullshit- even when they know that's not how it's done.

[pirateshipdude]

86. And the bird on the podium knows, mark my words. Eom

[pirateshipdude]

85. "Annointing"? I have not heard that in a long time. Is it only women that are getting

"anointed" While the men earn it? I have yet to hear about a man anointed. But here we have another woman, and you pull out that term. I kinda figure Sanders and his supporters made the demand, had the expectation of "anointment". Not Clinton like so many accused. Or your comparison with Harris.

[emulatorloo]

3. Here we go again:

Link to tweet

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. good. if kirsten gillibrand isn't in the running, Kamalawill get most of the HRC enthusiastic donors

especially those who are firmly committed to gender equality

[emulatorloo]

11. I was still Editing when I accidentally posted

See how that person immediately smears her, and gets all Bernie/Tulsi or bust.

This will be the basic playbook. Neon-liberal corporoapparatus blah blah blah.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. i love how they promote Tulsi, who is WAY more conservative than Kamala or Kirsten

yet at the same time yell about the party moving right. LOL

[emulatorloo]

20. If you get bored, check out the whole thread.

Some people definitely pushing back hard on the "Tulsi is a Progressive!1!" nonsense.

[lunasun]

28. It's all extremely confusing

[JHan]

73. It has nothing to do with principles or policy ideas for these people

It's all about who endorsed their hero or who their hero likes.

[JHan]

82. Yup so I've noticed.

[sheshe2]

84. +1000

[Gothmog]

76. I saw a thread on this on JPR

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Evidently you cannot be a non-white female and be a progressive on JPR

[irisblue]

97. I went to look. I am sorry I did.

So limited, only my view of perfect is acceptable, paraphrased. There were members here I enjoyed reading, so different over there.

[yallerdawg]

10. Something about...

"Clinton donors" and "the Hamptons."

Can't imagine where that comes from.

I'm all in, by the way! I think she is perfect!

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[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. i think many are perfect who will run in 2020, but only one who makes my heart flutter

but many Democrats i will happily vote for

[emulatorloo]

17. I saw some really horrible things said about Harris in wayofthebern @ Reddit

Too vile to repeat verbatim but basically saying she made her way to the top by having sex with corporations.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. i saw those too

[yallerdawg]

21. I'm very liberal in my consideration of liberals.

I don't pay attention to 'that one thing, that one comment, that one post.'

I pay attention to that one thing (and many things) that makes them a Democrat - like me.

"Progress, not perfection."

And I will accept no substitute (another thing I share in common with most Democrats ).

[sheshe2]

75. Wow....

the old, very old bullshit that women can only get ahead by sleeping their way to the top? OMG! I need to go toss up my dinner.

[The Polack MSgt]

12. Well I expect that because she'll have an actual record to look at

She'll be attacked as "establishment"

After all the only way to prove you aren't an "Establishment Tool" is to cash a Congressional paycheck for almost 3 decades without any of your bills getting passed.

That is what this country needs -

[La Lioness Priyanka]

15. less easy to dismiss her as establishment because her stint in washinton will be shorter than HRC's

[emulatorloo]

19. Won't stop the intellectually dishonest alt-left twitterverse though.

Sorry having a bad day not usually this way. Just depressing we're gonna have to go thru another smear campaign against good Dems.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. they'll accuse for sure, but because it's ludicrous it will have less sticking power

[The Polack MSgt]

22. Color me cynical, but I don't think actual facts matter

Senator Sander was in Congress for 27 years and counting = not establishment

Secretary Clinton - FLOTUS, Private business/practice, Senator and S.o.S. = CORPORATE SHILL ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRAT MACHINE PUPPET ARGLE BARGLE BENGHAZI!I!I!I!!!11

At least the Republican Pravda operators won't have a couple of decades head-start to beat their lies into the narrative

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. they'll accuse for sure, but because it's ludicrous it will have less sticking power

reason it stuck to HRC was because there was truth to it, i thought her experience was an asset, they weaponized it.

[The Polack MSgt]

29. I just wish people would finally realize that the GOP carnival barkers have always been lying

[JNelson6563]

77. I think that's the kicker.

Clinton was unique in that there was a massive attack on her for decades. Millions had been programed for "Clinton" and/or "Hillary" to their "rosebud". It apparently worked on many on the left too.

[LSFL]

48. Ouch.

Wicked bern there.

[lunasun]

25. KH 1.Won't click with VIP rural white trump voters 2.smoozdd with Clinton donors on east coast

3San Francisco politics California politician 4. That points 2+ 3 show coastal elitism . 5 A lifelong public safety and civil rights leader which means she has an identity agenda. 6 Lawyer 7. Has vocal past in an era of Black Lives Matter. 8 6+7 prove #5 9. Secretly being anointed and predetermined hand will try to place her don't fall for it 10 the women could enslave you!

I was eating lunch hope I don't offend but kinda stuff I hear from people of that slant
Also any one who focuses on Russia is a tool and being distracted which I hear often . Perhaps may apply to her not sure . I get confused when following the line cast out

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. excellent picks.

[sheshe2]

66. And the old...

Don't vote with your vagina! I think I will have a monologue with mine and see how she feels about that.

Great OP, Pri.

[emulatorloo]

27. Really well done.

[Eliot Rosewater]

37. For these 10 reasons you can be certain she will be heavily opposed by Putin, GOP

and the so called alt left, progressive movement headed up by a well known US Senator.


When we are allowed to talk about it around here, I will, but right now we are not.

[JHan]

61. Nailed it

[msongs]

31. what exactly is "alt left"? nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. had you been a frequent posted in this group, you would have seen this defined several times

i would suggest a du search of the term.

[emulatorloo]

34. Self-described "leftists" who love alt-right smears/CT and lie about Democrats. Examples:

Examples: Jimmy Dore and Michael Tracy of TYT.

Link to tweet

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Link to tweet

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[msongs]

43. thanks for the information :-) nt

[BlueMTexpat]

33. I don't dare say anything specific.

I find that I get my posts removed for supposedly refighting the 2016 primaries. Sheesh!

Apparently, the slightest excuse will do once one is alert-stalked.

I'm sure the Alt-Left will think of something spurious to use against Kamala.

They are NOT Democrats.

I am thoroughly tired of those of us who ARE Democrats having our voices silenced on "Democratic" Underground. That includes too many erstwhile great posters in this group.

While I don't post here often and am not AA, I find that the AA Group expresses thoughts much closer to my own political views than any other except for the HRC Group. Long may you reign!

[Eliot Rosewater]

38. Yeah, Democratic Party supporters are not safe to talk here.

If you support the party to the extent that you are willing to call out those who dont but pretend to, you will be silenced here.

Sadly, the owners of the board dont want that but since they allow this nonsensical jury system, that is what happens.

We are going to NOT gain back EITHER House in 18 because of the alt left.

BTW, I proudly voted for the most qualified human being to ever run for the office of the US President, too. I did not just vote for her I told everybody else to and I chastised those who said they had to "hold their noses".

[BlueMTexpat]

98. Hi, ER!

Same here in re the most qualified human being! I also got some feedback from some who had been on the fence, who told me that they enthusiastically supported her because of information that I gave them. That was encouraging.

The fight is a good one and we will keep on.

[Eliot Rosewater]

100. For sure, stealing your deal there, very cool. I wont use both so your sig is still unique to you.

thanks

[BlueMTexpat]

105. No prob.

I "stole" it from someone else! It's there to be shared.

[brer cat]

39. I'm voting for

identity politics for the #1 spot. We all know pure Democrats don't go for that.

[The Polack MSgt]

50. This for the win

Identity politics - It's the whistle that brings all the dogs to the yard

[La Lioness Priyanka]

56. i'm always going to priotize civil rights, and those who use identity politics as an insult

can fuck themselves seven ways from sunday for all i care

[Eliot Rosewater]

70. Those who use identity politics as an insult

are identified as white.

Now, not all white people are bad or fucked up, but pretty much all white people BENEFIT from the fact of being white.

[nycbos]

42. She is black and a woman

So we will be introduced to a whole new set of far left wing dog whistles.

[Gothmog]

44. She is not a white male

[La Lioness Priyanka]

45. they'll never actually say that. it will always be some dog whistle

too much experience. not enough experience.

cannot connect to real american. coastal liberal.

lacking a message. not inspiring.

only winning southern states.

[JHan]

49. As brercat said we'll hear some "identity politics" shit whining

Plus she brings the Clinton donor milkshake to the yard ( like me - proud to be a Clinton donor! ) which will make them lose their irrational little minds.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

55. oh me too. i literally cannot wait for her to announce. i kinda feel bad for Gillibrand who is an

amazing democrat, but as much as i like her she doesn't make me flutter quite the same way as Kamala.

[George II]

64. Back when she was first appointed by David Patterson, lots of New Yorkers thought....

....that Kirsten Gillibrand got the appointment as "just another pretty face", but she has been an awesome Senator from the very first day!

I'd take either over many potential candidates, including.................

[La Lioness Priyanka]

65. Oh yeah those two are my top choices

[Me.]

52. Not A Frequent Poster

Just here to K & R

[awesomerwb1]

54. Who's the alt-left?

I wish there wasn't so much divisiveness center to far left.

If trump can't bring us all together we're truly fucked and it won't matter who "our" candidate is.

[JHan]

57. Alt lefters are the ones doing the dividing

I have no zero interest reaching common ground with people whose world view align with the right i.e anti globalist, anti internationalist, fascistic clowns who complain about "identity politics" , insult core tenets of liberalism and enable the election of right wing authoritarians.

We who point out their fuckery are not the problem.

[awesomerwb1]

58. So who are they???

[lunasun]

67. See post #34 & 59 for examples

[awesomerwb1]

68. Thanks. n/t

[Gothmog]

59. The idiots on the JPR hate site are upset that Harris talked to Clinton donors

The JPR idiots are really sad people and it is a sin to talk to anyone who supported Hillary Clinton

[Fresh_Start]

60. K&R

not a frequent poster but an admirer, I'm guessing coastal elite...so midwest voters won't vote for her.

I've voted for Kamala and would happily vote for her again.

[Blue_Tires]

62. "She's tainted by Clinton money!" --folks already using this

Link to tweet

[JHan]

63. Color me surprised that Saintano, DoucheBro in Chief, is all up in it.

[Gothmog]

69. K&R

[JHan]

71. I just checked Twitter - the popular angle is to tie her to Hillary

So it goes like: Kamala - Hillary , Clintonism, establishment pick, corporatist, coastal elite, .....this is what they'll come at her with. So predictable

[BainsBane]

91. Translation

She's not one of "us."

I have little doubt that they don't know anything about her record. One can't be informed and maintain a Manichaean worldview. And theirs isn't ideological. It's team Bernie vs. the rest. Being a corporatist has nothing to do with policy or voting record, as we learned all too well from Jaime Harrison's treatment during the contest for DNC chair. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sanders-revolution-resists-dnc-loss-235404

[JHan]

99. I remember that... it was straight up bullying and harassment.

[betsuni]

79. I have a feeling the "corporate w-word" will make an appearance at some point.

The alt-left makes me physically ill.

[JHan]

83. it's already being used...

Clinton donors will morph to "corporate donors" .. it's inevitable.

All of this negativity and Kamala hasn't even given any public indication she wants to run for Prez in 2020.

The people who do this shit are the GOP's fifth column. They need to constantly be called out.

[pirateshipdude]

88. Sure, but really, it is not because she is a woman. Cause all of them that, for sure. Really.

It has nothing to do with her as a woman.

[BainsBane]

92. Say, what happened to those corporatist whores?

Suddenly the term has disappeared with the exit of Clinton. Funny how it's never used to describe Republicans or billionaire hedge fund guys who back their guy.

[betsuni]

93. I think it's like "flawed candidate": Clinton-specific.

But we shall see, won't we! Naturally, all the real corrupt corporatist Republicans are never called that. If the reason they aren't ever called that has ever been explained, I haven't heard it. I'd like to know.

[pirateshipdude]

81. Color me surprised when I now hear we are after Kamala Harris.

All for voting for a woman. Voting for a black. BUT... Not that woman or that black. Always. Really the issue is voting for a Democrat that these people have an issue with. Meh, screw them.

[Jamaal510]

89. Pretty much the

same complaints as with Corey Booker and Hillary Clinton--that she's somehow a corporatist, and she is evil because she happened to be speaking with a certain group of people.

[BainsBane]

90. I'd vote for a woman, but not that woman

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The only reason anyone supports her is because she's a (black) woman.

Gender (and race) isn't enough to qualify her for the presidency.

Then the standard, neoliberal, corporatist shill (which translates as not being Bernie and not having endorsed him in a long distant primary.)

Basically, she's not one of "us."

[mcar]

94. "I'd like to vote for a woman...

just not this woman"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

96. Indeed

[ismnotwasm]

102. That's the one!

[heaven05]

95. She is "too angry"?

you know AA anger at whitesplaining from those who can't believe that an AA does know what racism and the consequent anger are grounded in.

These 'splainers' just can't get away from their racism in seeing us as a bunch of children who must be guided by them.

[YoungDemCA]

103. The who and what?

[Starry Messenger]

104. There's a few stories circulating about some cases as AG she didn't handle the way teh purists wish

I have promised myself in a spare moment to assemble her list of accomplishments, which are breathtaking, and anyone cherry-picking her record for anything negative have truly jumped over a list of incredible left-wing milestones in CA.

I really like her. I was sad Boxer retired, but Kamala Harris as a replacement Senator is awesome. Watching her make Sessions turn into a pile of runny Brie didn't make up for Hillary not winning, but it did warm my chilly heart a touch.

[JI7]

106. it's happening now

too bad priyanka can't post while we get the constant "yeah, but " concern shit from certain postesr.

[SaschaHM]

107. "I'd support Nina Turner, but not Kamala." will be in the top 5.

[JI7]

108. here you go

on edit, i see you noticed that. but yeah, i can see this one being used the most if she is the nominee.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9410605