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MrScorpio

(73,713 posts)
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 12:26 AM Oct 2017

Black On Black Crime Rate Is Far Lower Than White On White Crime

A new government reports corrects a popular myth about Black people.


Bruce C.T. Wright

One of the many efforts by White racists to demonize Black people has been stopped dead in its tracks, thanks to some updated statistics provided by the federal government. Unlike what appears to be popular opinion, the rate of violent Black-on-Black crime is lower than how often White criminals victimize other White people.

To be sure, “the rate of white-on-white violent crime (12.0 per 1,000) was about four times higher than black-on-white violent crime (3.1 per 1,000),” according to new the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ (BJS) “Race and Hispanic Origin of Victims and Offenders, 2012-2015” report published last Thursday.

Research for the report was conducted over a four-year period during which “U.S. residents experienced 5.8 million violent victimizations each year.”

Still, not surprisingly, those findings didn’t stop former controversial (read: racist) White House adviser Sebastian Gorka from sticking to his White supremacist script on Monday when he told Sinclair Broadcast stations, “Our big issue is black African gun crime against black Africans.”




The so-called Black on Black crime argument has resurfaced lately in an attempt to delegitimize the NFL kneeling protest of the national anthem, which began to highlight social injustices against Black people.

It appeared as if Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill, who is Black, also missed the BJS report.

“One of the most dramatically difficult things to fathom in this country is the amount of lives lost — Black lives lost — as a result of Black-on-Black violence,” Hill said Saturday in an appeal for the NFL kneeling protest of the national anthem to be refocused. “In the same year that we experienced about 259 police officer shootings of Blacks in 2015, there were 6,000 Black lives lost to murders from Black people.”

https://blackamericaweb.com/2017/10/24/black-on-black-crime-rate-is-far-lower-than-white-on-white-crime/


'Black on Black' crime is nothing more than false idea, hatched by white supremacists, as an attack on black people.
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progree

(11,463 posts)
1. The excerpt doesn't have any statistics on black-on-black crime, just white-on-white and
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 01:57 AM
Oct 2017

Last edited Mon Oct 30, 2017, 11:52 AM - Edit history (2)

black-on-white (with the white-on-white rate being about 4 times higher than the black-on-white rate ... meaning whites should fear each other more than they should fear black people)

But the last paragraph of the linked article has this:

The report did yield one bit of good news in particular: “From 1994 to 2015, white-on-white violence and black-on-black violence declined at a similar rate. White-on-white violence declined 79 percent (from 52.5 to 10.8 victimizations per 1,000 white persons). Black-on-black violence declined 78 percent (from 66.6 to 14.5 victimizations per 1,000 black persons).


That said, it's nowhere near the picture some righties paint of the black crime rates supposedly being multiples of the white crime rate. It is not.

On Edit (12:44 PM Eastern 10/30): Change last sentence to:

That said, it's nowhere near the picture some righties AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA paint of the black crime rates supposedly being multiples of the white crime rate. It is not. Furthermore, believing the super-high black crime rate myth, the police concentrate their activities in the black neighborhoods (at least in Minneapolis); and also that a black person is more likely to be arrested and convicted and jailed etc. than a white person suspected of commiting the same crime (numerous studies, for instance Google "driving while black".)

Thus driving up the black crime statistics relative to the white crime statistics, resulting in more "law enforcement" in black areas (because it is seemingly a "target-rich" environment for police to fill their implicit if not explicit arrest-leading-to-conviction quotas). And so the vicious cycle goes on and on.

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brer cat

(26,290 posts)
7. No it isn't.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 07:02 PM
Nov 2017

The statistics in the OP are 2012-2015; in the post you are replying to the range was 1994-2015 and includes the Crack Wars which extended into the '90s.

MichMan

(13,227 posts)
5. The ones that prove the headline is false?
Mon Oct 30, 2017, 07:47 AM
Oct 2017

The statistics that show the headline is patently false?

That is unless you believe that 14.5 is less than 10.8.

Media sources create headlines that contradict the facts is irresponsible IMO. Then so many people just read the headlines and make conclusions when the facts show the opposite.

brer cat

(26,290 posts)
8. The headline is "false" only if you cherry pick data.
Wed Nov 1, 2017, 07:05 PM
Nov 2017

The statistics you are quoting are from a different time period which includes the later part of the Crack Wars.

MichMan

(13,227 posts)
11. 2015 according to the link.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 04:03 PM
Nov 2017

Just responding to the data in the link. It didn't match the headline.

I didn't write it

brer cat

(26,290 posts)
12. Read more carefully.
Thu Nov 2, 2017, 07:17 PM
Nov 2017

The report in the OP is citing data from 2012-2015. The figures you were quoting to assert that the OP was "patently false" were 1994-2015; not the same time period and not the same set of circumstances. No media source created a misleading headline. If anyone is "irresponsible" it is the reader who jumps to conclusions without paying attention.

progree

(11,463 posts)
13. *IN 2015*: white-on-white 10.8, black-on-black: 14.5
Fri Nov 3, 2017, 07:49 PM
Nov 2017

Last edited Fri Nov 3, 2017, 10:45 PM - Edit history (2)

The report did yield one bit of good news in particular: “From 1994 to 2015, white-on-white violence and black-on-black violence declined at a similar rate. White-on-white violence declined 79 percent (from 52.5 to 10.8 victimizations per 1,000 white persons). Black-on-black violence declined 78 percent (from 66.6 to 14.5 victimizations per 1,000 black persons).


The 10.8 and 14.5 numbers are what it was in the year 2015. It is NOT some average over the 1994 to 2015 period.

(But the difference is far less stark than the impression the mainstream media reporting, and there are quite a lot of reasons for the supposedly higher crime rate, like police concentrating on stopping and arresting black people -- please see my #1 on that)

As for the excerpt in the OP, there is no number or statistic given on black-on-black violent crime during any time period, nor in any particular year. Other than this:

in 2015, there were 6,000 Black lives lost to murders from Black people. 6,000 Black lives lost to murders from Black people

First I'd have to convert the 6,000 total murders into a rate per 1,000. Next one has to realize that murders are a subset of violent crimes. Violent crimes include injuries and attempted murder, etc. as well as murders.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. Obvious context can be a difficult thing for a bias to overcome.
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 12:13 PM
Dec 2017

Obvious context can be a difficult thing for a particular bias to overcome.

Good luck!!!

Eliot Rosewater

(32,536 posts)
15. This Sinclair bullshit, I hope NOBODY watches TV anymore soon, but we need a free net and
Mon Dec 18, 2017, 06:44 PM
Dec 2017

Schumer is working on that already.

But if network stations and cable stations are going to be owned by rightwing FILTH like this, fuck em.

No more TV ...

Are there people dedicating large parts of their afternoon trying to agree with Gorka? sigh

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