Nah, White Women ... You Cant Have This One

[sheshe2]

In the aftermath of black people showing up out of nowhere—like little Kenard who snuffed out Omar on The Wire—to kill Roy Moore and the “alt-right’s” dream of making the documentary Mr. Molester Goes to Washington, everyone wants a little bit of credit. The Democratic Party is saying, “I told y’all.” The pundits are giving the entire state of Alabama the credit. Even mainstream media has decided who was most responsible for Doug Jones’ victory over the John Wayne of alleged pedophiles:

Yep, according to everyone, “women” are the ones who pushed Doug Jones’ campaign for U.S. Senate over the finish line. Not black women. Not even black people. Just women.

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Then there was the venerable political reporter Beth Clayton, who became the mouthpiece of the white woman savior class. Immediately following the election, Clayton appeared on MSNBC to explain how white women had saved the world. She tied the election to the Harvey Weinstein sexual harassment scandal and the #MeToo movement (started by a black woman). She proudly explained to Chris Hayes:

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Black people are 26 percent of the population in Alabama, but the Washington Post says they were 29 percent of Tuesday’s electorate. Conversely, whites are 68 percent of Alabama’s population, yet only 66 percent voted in Alabama’s Senate race.

Let’s put it this way: Using AL.com’s raw vote totals and the Washington Post’s exit polls—if every woman in the state assembled themselves and each one of Jones’ black female supporters stood beside a white woman who voted for him, there would still be 82,278 black women standing by themselves wondering “Where the white women at?”



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Now, explain to me, again, who “showed up.”
Not white women. That is a fact. Again ... numbers.

Read More, who is no more. Moore defeated by black people and the largest percent was black women.
https://www.theroot.com/nah-white-women-you-cant-have-this-one-1821299583

White woman here standing with my black sisters. You did this, you always do. Thank you.

[nycbos]

1. Exactly

And since you said

"“Where the white women at?”


There is the obligatory cultural reference of

[EffieBlack]

2. This awesome. Thank you SO much for posting it!

I’ve been trying to get this point across for two days and have been feeling pretty lonely ... a whole lot of “people are people/all votes matter” posts ...

So, thank you.

[sheshe2]

3. I posted on one of your threads.

I know Effie. You are not alone...

Using AL.com’s raw vote totals and the Washington Post’s exit polls—if every woman in the state assembled themselves and each one of Jones’ black female supporters stood beside a white woman who voted for him, there would still be 82,278 black women standing by themselves wondering “Where the white women at?”

"Where the white woman at?"

Hmmm

[MaryMagdaline]

4. Yes MSNBC needs to line up

10 African American ALABAMANS to go on TV and tell us how they pulled it off, what they expect from their country and what we can do for them.

And let them pick the next nominee of the party.

[qwlauren35]

9. Gawd, I would love that.

I do feel grateful that the black Alabama voters delivered for Doug Jones. But in return for that, they are owed. Doug Jones and the Democratic party need to step up and acknowledge black issues like police brutality, voter disenfranchisement, and the pollution and water toxicity in poor communities AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Black people are Democrats, not because our grandfathers were - our grandfathers were Republicans. It's because we've looked at Republican policies and platforms, and they are harmful and detrimental to our fundamental well-being. We really have thought about it. We are not blind followers.

So, even though many black people are pro-life, even though many southern black people are homophobic, overall, and especially based on economics, the Democrats are more likely to propose policies that benefit us. So that's how we vote.

Now, we do NOT like being taken for granted. That's why people like me are Independent. That's how the Republicans are siphoning off one or two of us. So, it's time for that to change. Don't take the black vote for granted. Deliver on the platform, and create the America where African-Americans can thrive, live freely, safely and in good health.

[MaryMagdaline]

13. All of the above and something that AMAZES ME

The AA community did not go for Trump's very, very unsubtle attempt to get AAs to pile on Mexicans. He tried many times and used real AA victims of crimes perpetuated by Mexicans in order to entice black Americans to go all out racist on fellow humans. He desperately wanted the black vote but very very early on, black Americans told him to take a hike. They're not getting pretend ahead by stepping on other people. As absolutely f'g horrible it was in 2016 I saw a full on smack down of Trump by African Americans. It really was a complete rebuke of the historical assumption that you always can turn oppressed people into fascists if you just give them a scape goat. Did.not.happen.

[bettyellen]

49. Thats a brilliant idea! Im going to pitch it to my friend whos starting media school

In DC. She should interview campaign workers in Va too during the march. I’d like to see some real celebration these victories. I’m texting her now- brb.

[MaryMagdaline]

50. Yes! Celebrate and document

Good luck and congrats to your friend starting media school

[Alice11111]

51. At our Christmas dinner prayers, we thanked them.Now,

we need to elect them!!!

[WhiteTara]

5. I am grateful to the Black Women of Alabama

you/they showed incredible skill in organizing and defeated a nasty slimy monster that apparently many stupid White Women for. Thank all of you. I know that this involved much work and time away from many things including home and family.

It is my belief that if we are to save our country, it will be because of the courage and skill of the Black Community.

[sheshe2]

6. Well said, WhiteTara.

Here they are voting against a white man that preys upon white children, not to save theirs alone but to save all children no matter their color. They are brighter, kinder and have more compassion for our humanity than the 'supposed evangelical Christians'.

[WhiteTara]

14. one of my favorite lines from some novel

was...."and it was as cold as Christian charity." So true that it has stuck with me.

Thanks for appreciating my comment. I am so aware of my white privilege that I am shy to speak. Who am I to say a single thing? Except of course, Thank You.

[sheshe2]

23. "and it was as cold as Christian charity."

So true. Cold and devoid of humanity. They are not Christians.

I am white as well, WhiteTara. I posted this in the AA Group tonight. I have been welcomed as a group member and have many friends that use to post here. They are mostly gone now...I know some of them still read and am in contact with them on other sites. They were not welcomed here.

Some of us try to leave a light on in case they return...

[MLAA]

52. Fact, everything you said is a fact. Thanks for speaking up.

[sheshe2]

53. I thank you, MLAA.

It infuriates me that so many white women would support a white politician over their own children. I just can't wrap my head around that. Forget the fact that they do not support children of color ...they DO NOT EVEN SUPPORT THEIR OWN! Sorry for yelling there, it makes me angry.

[Me.]

7. Our Saving Grace

WOC

[sheshe2]

10. Hmmm.

Amazing Grace, me.

WOC

[Me.]

21. Indeed

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. Nailed it!

[sheshe2]

11. Yes it did.

Thank you for responding InAbLuEsTaTe.

Appreciated.

[nadine_mn]

12. This makes me so angry..this narrative of "women" did it

No
No
No

2/3rds of white women who voted, voted for Moore. They turned their backs on the women who were brave enough to tell their story of his sexual assault and harassment.

This is why I get so upset when women say ...get rid of all men and only elect women. No. Women make bad choices too. Women make sexist comments ... even Democrats like the woman saying women ask for it by showing too much cleavage.

But African American women came out...they stood in line, they drove each other to the polls, they came out against all the fucking obstacles and voted

They voted for those 4 little girls who were killed by the KKK and for the man who got justice for them

They voted to protect other women from a predator

They voted for justice and against a lunatic

A shit ton of white women who voted, voted against their own interests and that of other women.

[MontanaMama]

17. Yes. Yes. YES!

And they did all of this in the face of massive voter suppression. Impressive doesn't even cover it.

On another note, as a mother, I can't get it out of my mind that Alabamans would even think of voting for a pedophile. White women excused it and turned their backs on their fellow women who fell victim to a predator. It is disgusting and I don't understand it. It was women of color who drew a line in the sand for all women and girls. I for one stand grateful.

[nadine_mn]

18. I have to laugh at what white lawmakers consider obstacles

(In a cynical way...I mean their actions to take away voting rights are abhorrent)

White lawmaker "hmm I know let's make them stand in line for hours or have to go out of their way to vote...that will repress them. I know if it takes longer than 5 min for me to vote I won't bother"

Women (and all people) of color "oh please, we have had to wait in line and jump through so many damn hoops for our rights, we got this"

I don't mean for a minute to make light of the supressing of rights or suggest that because they have fought these battles for so long they should continue. I mean that they severely underestimate the fortitude and determination women of color have to make their voices heard and to ensure a better life for their children.

[sheshe2]

24. They turned their backs on their OWN CHILDREN.

They could be next, MountainMama. White women turned their backs on their own child and Black women said no for all our children.

On another note, as a mother, I can't get it out of my mind that Alabamans would even think of voting for a pedophile. White women excused it and turned their backs on their fellow women who fell victim to a predator. It is disgusting and I don't understand it. It was women of color who drew a line in the sand for all women and girls. I for one stand grateful.

Your comment plus 1000.

[Eliot Rosewater]

38. They do this over and over, turn their backs on their own family.

Turn on family for any number of reasons.

They are simply bad human beings.

[sheshe2]

39. They turn on their own every time.

When their child is next, they will turn on them as well. Must be their fault.

[calimary]

28. Well here's one white woman who stands securely with my African American sisters.

GRATEFUL for their efforts and how they shouldered this sacred duty as valiantly as though they were Joans of Arc. THEY made this happen. As for my white sisters, What. On. Earth. Were. You. Thinking????

[IronLionZion]

15. Dems would do well to remember this important lesson

and replicate it in other elections going forward.

[brer cat]

16. The pundits make up a narrative

and massage the numbers to fit. "Black women kick ass in AL" was not the one they wanted to sell.

That was a great read, sheshe. Thanks for posting it and setting the record straight.

[lunamagica]

19. Spot on. Thank you Sheshe

[RestoreAmerica2020]

20. To all black women who led the way...

[58Sunliner]

22. I have not researched all the vote numbers, but only 40.4% of Alabama voted.

I am not sure what in context this is meant as some modifiers seem to be missing if under half of all registered voters voted in Alabama. Given the number of 40.4% voter turnout (which is real sad), a minority showed up to vote.

" whites are 68 percent of Alabama’s population, yet only 66 percent voted in Alabama’s Senate race. "

[kwassa]

37. 40% is high for a special election

[58Sunliner]

40. Especially in Alabama. They have other elections which only have 18% voting.

My point is that people keep making statements based on part of an equation. Voting statistics are just that.
Percentages have at least two parts. The constant threads about most voters are truly inaccurate and I think we are smarter than that.

[Yavin4]

25. If only White women could vote, Trump wins big and so does Moore.

As an African American man, I get tired of being ripped apart as a man when African American men vote more to help women in America than White women do themselves. If only African American men could vote, Hillary would be president right now.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. I hear/read you

Jim Crow ain't so new and . . . We have to set some convictions right.

If only a black man with a tiny rock for personal use was not a convicted felon. Then he could vote.

[The Polack MSgt]

34. +1000. NT

[NBachers]

26. One of the best Moore-Jones threads I've read. Finally giving credit where credit's due.

Thanks, sheshe2!

[wasupaloopa]

27. I get that Black women turned out to vote

and that made the election a success for Dems but when are we going to be just Dems turning out?

None of us can pull off a win by ourselves because as individual groups we don't make up enough voters to win.

And generally we all have the same opinion on the issues.

In this case Moore saying the slavery era was good was a personal insult to Blacks but we all were offended by that statement.

In 2018 we all need to turn out the vote no matter what race religion sexual preference male or female far left or center left.

[JustAnotherGen]

33. After 2020

Not you per se - but there has been a lot of attacks in the real world against black folks supposedly not turning out for Clinton. It's an absolute utter lie - but in my opinion - it's a slur to DIVIDE DEMOCRATICS!

Alabama just showed how you get black voters energized.

You think the Moore Type only exists in AL?

Think again.

Google Johnstown NFL N*ggers For Life.

If the door knockers in Pittsburgh and Philly don't go armed with that article into black communities - they are idiots.

Words matter. And - when used to mobilize certain groups can be used as a hammer.

Asking us to pretend to Not Be Black In America and to make decisions under that guide is stupid (not you - the concept).

We have heard ad nauseam about White Working Class People since the Russkies handed 45/140 the WH on a silver platter to go with that silver spoon Pootie Poot Red Russian feeds him with.

How they were forgotten, lost, angry etc etc.

Uh - guess us black folks are in a rage and the Democratic Party should not only acknowledge that - but tap into it to win.

I believe your vision will fail in 2018 and 2020. No offense but it will fail. Your Utopia can come later, you are going to have to wait.

[wasupaloopa]

35. It's not utopia to understand we all need each oother. None of us alone can change what is going on

in Washington.

It is not utopia to understand that with the majority of issues we all agree.

What you are doing is helping to divide us.

It is not Black turnout or Hispanic turnout it is Democratic turnout that is needed.

[JustAnotherGen]

43. I disagree on dividing us

We flipped two seats in our Borough, kept on D assembly member, flipped the other, and got Murphy in the Governors mansion. I run an indivisible group


We can't afford to stick our head in the sand.

I'm a black woman who is in her 40's - product of a black/white marriage in the 60's married to an Italian immigrant.

I might know a little more than you on this subject.

I've experienced America in a radically different way than you.

[irisblue]

44. Getting that seat was amazing. POC saved Dem ass

Does it make an essential difference to you that AA Women & Men are getting credit? Asking this in a neutral calm voice

[JustAnotherGen]

45. iris blue - you asked it well

[GaryCnf]

54. I agree with what I think you are saying

but there is a real danger in denying the FACT that we did not turn out for Senator/Secretary Clinton across the upper Midwest and down the East Coast from North Carolina to Florida and if we had it would have done more to change the outcome than every other factor that has been mentioned. In fact, other than "re-educating" white folks (a task which I have come to believe is impossible), increasing black turnout is the single most important objective for the Democratic Party.

Before I get to that, however, I want to talk about one other thing I find notable in the post-victory celebration in Alabama . . . did Alabama's black men all die right before the election? That's sarcasm, of course, but as glaring as is the implicit racism in the statement "Women put Doug Jones in office," at least SOME people (Example: this OP . . . thanks sheshe2!) are pointing out that every time 10 white women went to the polls in Alabama, Doug Jones got 4 votes further behind. What almost NO ONE is talking about is that it wasn't just black women who turned out in droves for Jones, it was also black MEN.

That is important and you really talk about it later in your post so I know you get it. Here though is where the danger I spoke about earlier comes in. Yea, white folks who want to BLAME us for not turning out for Hillary can pretty much ***. I'm f'ing over that. When there is low turnout, that is on the f'ing PARTY. On the other hand, when we deny that we didn't turn out for Hillary, we give the party an EXCUSE to not talk about the difference between what we did in Alabama in 2017 and what we didn't do in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, etc. in 2016.

I came down from Memphis to Montgomery twice to try to get our folks to vote for Doug Jones. I am talking from first hand experience when I say that two months out from that election, Doug was going to lose and he was going to lose bad. He was going to lose because, even though he personally had only a fraction of the baggage we had in urban communities in 2016, his campaign was a mirror of 2016 . . . he was running on the despicability of Roy Moore and his supporters. Now I understand that the conventional DNC wisdom has been (at least since McCaskill came from behind to beat Akin in Missouri) that white women are so fired up about issues like child molestation, sexual harassment, misogyny etc. that if we have a sick mf running as a Republican we can run on the "he's despicable" platform and they will carry us to victory, but regardless of whether that is correct, what the people I was trying to get out to vote were saying was "Are we invisible or do you just think you are entitled to our vote?"

I tell this story only partly as criticism, because the party deserves criticism for those kinds of campaigns, because the real story of victory in Alabama was what happened next. Black leaders, and by leaders I don't mean black folks who are leaders just in the eyes of white Democrats, came to Alabama. They talked about issues that were unique to black voters in Alabama, issues that white people don't want hear about AND they talked right out in the open and unfettered (and unfiltered). By the next time I got to Montgomery, the week before the election, everything had changed. I honestly had not seen people that fired up since 2008.

That change in strategy, that respect, that not taking us for granted is what won in Alabama AND it can win all across the country (although it's an uphill battle in Missouri after McCaskill sided with Ferguson DA Bob McCullough). I fear though that no nationwide change in strategy, no PUBLIC acknowledgement of our unique interests, will result in the same FACT we saw in 2016, low black turnout in key states and losses that should have been wins.

I know I've gone on for a while but I wanted to end by saying thank you for your posts in this string. I am that former generation and to see you stand up like this means a lot.

[Skittles]

29. PREACH IT

Moore, defeated by black women - I LOVE IT

[TygrBright]

30. Spot on, sheshe2.

EVERY time I have discussed Tuesday's results with anyone, I've said three things:

1. THANK YOU to the BLACK WOMEN who made this happen, especially the families, friends, and neighbors of Addie Mae Collins, Cynthia Wesley, Carole Robertson, and Carol Denise McNair.

2. Pleased as I am that Jones won, and that Alabama will be represented by a Democrat in the US Senate, given who the GOP was running, the results should have been closer to 70-30 Jones.

3. I AM FUCKING ASHAMED OF THE WHITE WOMEN WHO VOTED FOR ROY MOORE--ESPECIALLY THE MOTHERS OF YOUNG GIRLS!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!

I'm pleased to say that mostly, so far, I've gotten nothing but agreement. But then, I haven't discussed it with any media poondats or Party flapdoodles.

wearily,
Bright

[radical noodle]

31. Thank you She!

and many thanks to the black women who were once again the most educated, responsible voters.

As for the white women (especially the one who, with her daughter in tow. said that the allegations against Moore were "bull crap&quot they will never be smart enough to understand what they've done. They will whine and cry about the unfairness done to Roy Moore by "those people." Those people being Yankees, liberals, Democrats and the Washington Post... but they will likely never admit Moore was defeated by black women.

Watch out though, I worry about more efforts to suppress the black vote there.

BTW, some thanks are due to black men too... I saw many waiting in line to vote.

[irisblue]

41. Sheshe💖, how you always manage to bring it

Thoughtful & educational articles that can & do teach.
And again AA Women & Men are doing a hard thing very well.

[sheshe2]

42. Thanks, iris.

It was a great article that clearly pointed out the facts. I never understand why pundits feel the need to twist the facts to suit their own agenda.

[heaven05]

46. let's hope

for many more victories against the sexual predators, fascist and racists in the near future....

[MrScorpio]

47. The watchword is vigilance

Now, more than ever.

I’m sure that more creeps will be crawling up from under rocks.

[sheshe2]

48. They breed under the rocks.

They breed in darkness, that is their element. We must be forever vigilant.