White people have always

[heaven05]

used the police as their weapon. Interest article BBC on this subject. And in looking at the photo of pigs writing her up, harassing her they are AA. Why can't some police officer with integrity speak up and try to stop this bullshit?

Title of article, "Police called after black Yale student fell asleep in common room". I bet unless the student was making a commotion or couldn't be awakened, NO white student EVER got the police called on them for sleeping in a college day/common room. This white racist shit is getting insane. And the black student was a post graduate student from Nigeria.

Welcome to trumps ameriKKKa. Always been this way, always will be. Period. White person just have to say, "nigger acting up", the police are there lickety-split. Very depressing time in ameriKKKa and extremely dangerous for POC, especially AA.

"I just think this is just a part of a much bigger problem that speaks to who america is as a country".

[gollygee]

1. There's a reason for this

That is why police departments were originally formed

http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

The birth and development of the American police can be traced to a multitude of historical, legal and political-economic conditions. The institution of slavery and the control of minorities, however, were two of the more formidable historic features of American society shaping early policing. Slave patrols and Night Watches, which later became modern police departments, were both designed to control the behaviors of minorities. For example, New England settlers appointed Indian Constables to police Native Americans (National Constable Association, 1995), the St. Louis police were founded to protect residents from Native Americans in that frontier city, and many southern police departments began as slave patrols. In 1704, the colony of Carolina developed the nation's first slave patrol. Slave patrols helped to maintain the economic order and to assist the wealthy landowners in recovering and punishing slaves who essentially were considered property.

Policing was not the only social institution enmeshed in slavery. Slavery was fully institutionalized in the American economic and legal order with laws being enacted at both the state and national divisions of government. Virginia, for example, enacted more than 130 slave statutes between 1689 and 1865. Slavery and the abuse of people of color, however, was not merely a southern affair as many have been taught to believe. Connecticut, New York and other colonies enacted laws to criminalize and control slaves. Congress also passed fugitive Slave Laws, laws allowing the detention and return of escaped slaves, in 1793 and 1850. As Turner, Giacopassi and Vandiver (2006:186) remark, “the literature clearly establishes that a legally sanctioned law enforcement system existed in America before the Civil War for the express purpose of controlling the slave population and protecting the interests of slave owners. The similarities between the slave patrols and modern American policing are too salient to dismiss or ignore. Hence, the slave patrol should be considered a forerunner of modern American law enforcement.”

The legacy of slavery and racism did not end after the Civil War. In fact it can be argued that extreme violence against people of color became even worse with the rise of vigilante groups who resisted Reconstruction. Because vigilantes, by definition, have no external restraints, lynch mobs had a justified reputation for hanging minorities first and asking questions later. Because of its tradition of slavery, which rested on the racist rationalization that Blacks were sub-human, America had a long and shameful history of mistreating people of color, long after the end of the Civil War. Perhaps the most infamous American vigilante group, the Ku Klux Klan started in the 1860s, was notorious for assaulting and lynching Black men for transgressions that would not be considered crimes at all, had a White man committed them. Lynching occurred across the entire county not just in the South. Finally, in 1871 Congress passed the Ku Klux Klan Act, which prohibited state actors from violating the Civil Rights of all citizens in part because of law enforcements’ involvement with the infamous group. This legislation, however, did not stem the tide of racial or ethnic abuse that persisted well into the 1960s.

Though having white skin did not prevent discrimination in America, being White undoubtedly made it easier for ethnic minorities to assimilate into the mainstream of America. The additional burden of racism has made that transition much more difficult for those whose skin is black, brown, red, or yellow. In no small part because of the tradition of slavery, Blacks have long been targets of abuse. The use of patrols to capture runaway slaves was one of the precursors of formal police forces, especially in the South. This disastrous legacy persisted as an element of the police role even after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In some cases, police harassment simply meant people of African descent were more likely to be stopped and questioned by the police, while at the other extreme, they have suffered beatings, and even murder, at the hands of White police. Questions still arise today about the disproportionately high numbers of people of African descent killed, beaten, and arrested by police in major urban cities of America.

[heaven05]

5. thank you

will peruse, soon.

[Civic Justice]

60. Its said how telling these truth... some can't deal with it.

Heck, they want to alert and block my post far too frequently... its the most insane thing imaginable. but it tells a story!!!!

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210601002

I wrote one and asked a simply question, which some could not deal with even in the simplest of honest, and pretend they don't know what the question is... or even why it was asked. But the back lash told it all.

another which is about getting the real truth.... out front!!
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10602575

Other get envious of writing's that actually try to discuss things, and become perturbed, because they think because they may have a 1000's of more comments, that they are the token elites.... and some can't stand to deal with the REAL HISTORY, and not just the history wrote by white people... of which much was written by people who supported the ideals of slavery, promoted the fiction of white superiority and still others who were groomed and lived in the spectrum of Jim Crow's massive influence upon and across American white society. These are historical truths, verified by the timing that a great deal of that history was written.

But some just can't digest that point and fact.



No problem the young generation is uncovering all the hidden truths, and they will as time comes write the HONEST HISTORY of America.

Any person who is aware know very well the police and the legal system was used against black people in many ways, the same as the historical congress was used that help craft some of the madness of the past.

No One Can Erase History's Real Truth, and the tarp's that has been used for centuries and decades to try and hide and cover the real truths is eroding with time and the truths is still the truths.....

[heaven05]

64. the truth

Will give us americans chance to air out long held myths hostilities and just plain lies. This society needs to shut down for some race sensitivity training. Nationwide racial concilliation forums at every university and college.

It's time for some erosion of these misdirections in social progress designed to create hate by some hate filled determined individuals, past and present.

[sharedvalues]

2. Just be careful. Dems are on your side.

White conservatives today want to hold down minorities.

Most white Dems, and the Dem leadership, want to do more for equality and to help everyone in the US. Specifically Dems want to fix our policing problem. Look at what Eric Holder did and how Jeff Sessions is pushing racist policies.

Our first step to improving race relations in America is to elect Democrats in 2018. GOP trolls (and Russian trolls) are trying to make the debate about black v. white. That is false. Don’t let them. The debate is about minorities and Americans vs. white conservatives who want to use hate to get votes for billionaires.

[heaven05]

3. true, this nt

[Squinch]

35. .

[Doodley]

4. There is no need to stereotype "white people."

[heaven05]

6. okay,

racist wypipo then. Sorry, could be misconstrued as a stereotype as written by me. I've always meant racist white people. Widespread and open racism is having a reawakening of a most aggressive type and manner.

Forgive my misstep.

[marble falls]

9. No need to apologize. Some of us are too ready to concentrate on a percieved slam and miss...

the entire point. I know what you meant.

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. Told you NEVER use the W word, will INSTANTLY bring you trouble.

This is America, that group is UNTOUCHABLE

[billh58]

22. Please do not apologize

for being correct. There is a large swath of white people who are right-wing racists and both we and they know who they are.

[Me.]

27. No Need For Apology

your meaning/intention was clear

+1

[Doodley]

36. I accept your apology. If you read a post that stated black people... followed by a generalization

of negative behavior, I hope you would see there was something wrong with that.

[Doodley]

40. Using slang language to describe a whole race of people is equally offensive.

[heaven05]

65. I won't stop

using racist wypipo or just plain wypipo as terms and as needed in these times. promise.

[Garrett78]

71. First of all, there's no such thing as "a race of people." Race is a social/political construct.

Secondly, the OP simply says "white people." It does not say *all* white people. It's implied that the OP is referring to *some* white people.

It would be no different than stating something like this: People are outraged by the NFL's new anthem policy.

Or like this: Fish have been getting caught in plastic six-pack rings.

There's no need to start those sentences with the word "Some," as it's clearly implied. Of course not *all* fish have been caught in six-pack rings. Only *some* have.

[unblock]

7. sometimes the "not all white people" thing is really just a bit too much.

can anyone really read the o.p. and think that there was an accusation that *every single last white person* has called the police to accuse a black person?

seriously?

c'mon, there's simply no legitimate way to read that o.p. as stereotyping *all* white people. it was clearly implicating only certain racist white people (indeed, not even all *racist* white people have called the police to accuse black people) in the actual act of calling the police to accuse black people.

oh, but by the way, *all* white people effectively benefit from the actions of racist white people and the institutional harassment of discriminated minorities. that's white privilege. i get to go through life without having to deal with or even worry about someone calling the police on me just because of the color of my skin. i didn't ask for it, i don't approve of any aspect of it, but i've got it nevertheless.

so i think the o.p. is fine as it. to the extent that it includes more white people than those who actually engage in such racist actions, i think it does so only in that sense, that we're passive beneficiaries. i think it's more worthwhile to ponder on that than it is to insist on protecting the sensitivities of white people in the african american group....

oh, excuse me. "some" white people.

[PatentlyDemocratic]

12. A similar generalization about black people would be unacceptable

There must be consistency. You can’t have different standards for different races.

[Eliot Rosewater]

15. ...

?itok=FA0aQsqs

[heaven05]

49. LOL

[ismnotwasm]

58. Hahahahaha

[gollygee]

23. Are you aware this is the African American group?

We talk about racism and we don't always add #notallwhitepeople and that's OK. If you go toward the top of the group, you'll see there's an option to trash this group so you don't see it anymore, if this group is bothersome for you.

[unblock]

30. reread my post. in no way did the o.p. accuse every last white person of racist police calling.

moreover, no, we don't need consistency, at least not until dramatically more progress is made.

in any event, we certainly don't need to *prioritize* pointing out every time a delicate white person's feelings might be slightly impinged upon if they misconstrue a post ***in the african american group*** ffs.

[Eliot Rosewater]

34. I will be honest, if I was not who I am, and I had to put up with the

non stop in your face privilege, violence and whining that your community has to put up with, I would NOT be so patient.

I use the word "patient" as a compliment, I dont know what other word to use. I know if roles were reversed there would be NO patience exhibited and mass, country wide violence.

I know this for a fact based on my observation of that group I cant mention and that I am a PART of!

[Doodley]

39. Are you saying being racially sensitive to others is on condition of "more progress?"

[unblock]

42. what i'm saying is that it's not for white people to come into an african american group and insist

on everyone being perfect by the standards of some white person's vision of an idyllic end goal of racial harmony, when the current reality is that we there are myriad injustices in our current society, overwhelmingly at the expense of african americans.

the o.p. had some rich content, and there are many angles to comment on and contribute on. if you are going to make several posts where the only concern is to protect the delicate feelings of some white people against a minimal, imagined injustice, you must appreciate that it comes off as extremely condescending and privileged.


a black student who did nothing wrong got the police called on her because she was black. this could have put her in mortal peril, or at risk of incarceration, possibly for a long time, because shit like that happens, and it happens disproportionately to black people.

why is it so important instead to comment on how it's possible for some white people to bend over backwards and misconstrue the o.p. to find offense where there clearly was none?

to be clear: the o.p. was *not* in any way racially insensitive to white people.

[Doodley]

38. Thank you for saying so.

[marble falls]

67. "When one is accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression"....

will you please give it up, you're beginning to sound alt-right.

The difference is that PoC have centuries of ongoing to right now race based abuse. You only think you've been allegedly subjected to it here for a couple of weeks. Drop it. Seriously, yammering about it makes you look stupid.

[LanternWaste]

69. If there is no consistency of standard in treatment of people of different races, why demand it in

"There must be consistency..."

If there is no consistency of standard in treatment of people of different races (of which ,only the half-wit or the liar would contest otherwise), why demand it in language?

Seems putting a pretty ribbon on a present that doesn't even exist is a priority for far too many people...

[billh58]

24. +100! n/t

[Doodley]

37. Do you want to read about "Black people", followed by a description of deplorable behavior?

[gollygee]

41. I told you not to come here and pick fights

Not coming here except to pick fights because people who post here regularly aren't walking on eggshells around you isn't cool. I'm going to block you from the group if you continue.

Actually, now that I see how much you posted about this after I told you to stop, I'm just going to block you.

[JustAnotherGen]

43. We live that shit every day

[heaven05]

50. every day

[unblock]

61. Not remotely the same thing.

The o.p. was clearly not making a statement about every single whites person. As noted in other replies, no one could reasonably think every single whites person has called the police to accuse a black person of something.

Moreover, such statements play no role in diminuation of the social status or ease of living of white people. It's a very different matter when such statements are made of black people.

The o.p. is, instead, a simple and true statement about the *class* known as "white people".

There really is no basis for objection here.

[marble falls]

68. I bet you have a huge collection of those, right?

[LanternWaste]

70. Your sentiment is not hypothetical... it's an every day reality for POC.

Your sentiment is not hypothetical... it's an every day reality for POC.

Is that same an every day reality for white people, or merely an excuse we use to pretend righteousness at the expense of a false equivalency?

I'm guessing the latter...

[heaven05]

48. ++

[gollygee]

20. Please don't come into this group just to say #notallwhitepeople

There might be more interesting discussion available for this topic.

[sheshe2]

8. I would like to say I am shocked.

However as we have seen of late, barbecuing, sleeping, waiting for a friend while black is dangerous. I wish it weren't so, but it is a fact that is escalating under trump.

[marble falls]

11. This week has been a freaking eye opener, hasn't it? Shocking, deplorable and majorly disappointing.

[sheshe2]

25. Yes it sure was an eye opener.

Sadly though, some can't see what is right in front of them.

[marble falls]

44. I used to think that as my father and grandfathers have passed and I am in my autum that ...

it was getting better, that we were moving into a post racist US, that President Obama was mile marker in that change I imagined that was happening. I was wrong and in many ways its no better and even worse than it was when I was young. We need to double down and help prevent our children and grandchildren from learning hate.

The biggest shock for me is how easily and how many white folks feel free to use the 'n' word. Appalled, actually. And to hear all the wee-ing by even liberal whites over "wyte peepo."

[DownriverDem]

10. I'm white

and find the way some white folks are acting lately to be disgusting. How many of these white folks live sheltered lives? Why do they go for "this person must be doing something wrong" first? Folks like that need to have diversity training. In fact when a white person freaks out and calls the police on a minority that is doing nothing wrong, they should have to go for diversity training.

[bigbrother05]

18. They should be charged with filing a false report

[Me.]

29. They Should Be Charged

for wasting police time

[brush]

62. I'd rather a stiff fine and a jailing for repeat offenders.

They cost the city money to send cops out on a bogus call—which, as we've seen, sometimes escalated into injury or death to black people and other POCs.

[geardaddy]

13. K&R

BTW - This was alerted on. I served on the jury and was like "uhhhh no. This is not a personal attack"

[Eliot Rosewater]

16. OF course it was FUCKING ALERTED ON

This is AMERICA

People need to know just SAYING the W word is dangerous

God damn I hope the patriots of this country are just HALF as mad as me, might accomplish something if so.

In case I am not clear I think ALERTING on this is BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT V BULLSHIT BULLSHITBULLSHIT BULLSHIT V

[geardaddy]

17. You are correct, Mr. Rosewater

It's fucking disgusting.

BTW, Vonnegut is my favorite author.

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. Doesnt it seem like we are living in one of his books, maybe my fave,

Breakfast of Champions

Madness everywhere

[geardaddy]

21. Very much so.

First Breakfast of Champions and now because the Dotard has pulled out of the Iran Agreement, we'll be living Cat's Cradle.

[heaven05]

51. I agree nt

[unblock]

26. wait, wait, wait -- someone called the du police on a post about racist police calling?

[geardaddy]

32. I know! Oh the irony!

[Chemisse]

28. I wonder if AA cops are more aligned with their cop peers than with other AAs.

Alternatively, they may be under a lot of pressure to prove they are cops first, and AA after that, and could feel they need to be extra zealous toward blacks.

That's no excuse, of course. I think the whole of police culture is unhealthy and racist (minus some exceptions which I hope are out there somewhere).

[gollygee]

31. I think it's an example of how the criminal justice system is filled with systemic racism

There's racism throughout the criminal justice system. Police officers are where the rubber meets the road in the criminal justice system, so it's possible for racism to show up at that point no matter what.

[heaven05]

52. It seems to me

it's been this way for AA since we were 'allowed' to serve in our military and police forces. I think your "pressure to prove" comment is part of the continuing problem. I would like to see some integrity. The 'police culture' is sick in this country. Now especially since the potus told them they were not mean enough with those pesky minorities at one of his 'Nuremberg' rallies.

[mountain grammy]

33. More than once, I heard the incredulous statement

from a white acquaintance that "Obama made racism worse." They really believe this, I guess because the preacher said it because they're bigly Christian.

America is racist. Non white citizens have nothing they haven't demanded and died for, whereas I was born with the freedom of my color, not so much gender because America is also sexist, but race tops everything.

Chris Rock said, "white people were crazy, now they're less crazy." Yes, fewer whites are racist, I do believe that, maybe even the majority, but racists are still driving the madness. They're entrenched.

[heaven05]

66. yeah, the entrenchment is set

in concrete and crazy glue. Preacher has great influence over those who need to follow unquestioningly. Sad.

[JustAnotherGen]

45. heaven - just a little Group Host here but

Eh? I think it is kind of fucked up that in this group the African American group -


An OP about white people calling the police on Black people when the Black person has done nothing wrong, gets alerted on.


It is ten kinds of fucked up.

You've done nothing wrong with this op.

It just goes to show not all . . .


Eh never mind, carry on.

[sheshe2]

47. ...

[heaven05]

53. thank you

[applegrove]

54. Nazis got people to March and hail. Looks like racists in the US are

getting their base to call AA into police. It is practice for voting. They don't have Obama and Michelle to torment anymore and cultivate the GOP garden of racism with. So the racist base has been deputized like Hitler youth. Act out authoritarianism by calling 911. It could be that the people are self-authoritarianisting to connect to their Trump.

[heaven05]

55. If a person knows

their history, it sure looks like the 'brownshirts' are in full motion concerning the destruction of ameriKKKa and our experiment in democracy. The RW and trump are trying to create his dictatorship. I feel. The MSM created this monster. They built him up as a viable candidate.

[applegrove]

59. Heartbreaking but I am sure the brightest minds in the US are on the case

and writing books as we speak.

[heaven05]

63. let us prevail

we can only hope and stay aware of the current political drift in race and RW politics and the danger it poses to societal cohesiveness. The uptick in RW extremist activity and action, roof, cruz, tennesee wafflehouse shooting et al;, Charlottesville white nationalist race riot with multiple injuries and one death. I'm concerned but not alarmingly so, yet. And these are just the 'high profile las vegas style mayhem. Society is getting meaner, less civil.

Democrats must become a force to be reckoned with. OUR VOTE MUST BE HONESTLY ACCEPTED AND COUNTED and reflect numbers that cannot be denied or refuted.

Oh, and by the way, the bats and bears hibernation cycles are being disrupted by a warming climate. This marker alarms me now.

[Hoyt]

56. One of most vile examples was police sent to stop people fleeing Katrina

across the bridge to Gretna. .

[heaven05]

57. yep

that was one big racist clusterf**k. Because jr and cheney really did not care because MOST of the victims were AA. I know it is true.