Irish Affairs
Related: About this forumi have a ?? about returnees.
i know sometime folks come back and find a title that is their's. but do they ever get title to family land?
i doubt there's anything i could id. the last ones over came in coffin ships. i believe my grandma was a maid, and my grandpa was a laborer, a 20 yr veteran, 10 yrs out and on a coffin ship w his wife and 3 small kids. i'd rly like to know how that works, but....
i'd think the irish govt would want this. esp if the lands arent being used atm.
does it happen?
Thomas Hurt
(13,925 posts)That is if they had any in first place. I suppose you might find some records of where your ancestors lived or worked and if still existing you could take a look.
My great great grandfather is supposed to have built a house in Columbia MS. I haven't seen it, but a nice lady at the local history organization told it was still there. Even that was 25 years ago, so it could be gone now.
Also, unclaimed land in the US is often sold for back taxes. There may not be anyone on the property but that doesn't stop the gov't from taxing it.
Ireland may have something similar.
mopinko
(71,813 posts)i may be able to afford to buy.
Thomas Hurt
(13,925 posts)I have no desire to live in MS so I never seriously considered it.
I imagine Ireland has title records and you could id the property and might be able to discover who owns the property currently.
It sounds like you have an adventure before you. I hope you can find some connections there.
mopinko
(71,813 posts)there was a big fire in 1860-ish, i think, that wiped out a lot. i think i read recently that they managed to recreate most of what was lost from copies in england and in local govt/church records. i think they're sketchy around the '20's and independence.
i already do have connections. found a couple of dna cousins, including an adoptee. we're thick as thieves on fb. she's in donegal. also found a 3-5th cousin in my the last town on my da's side of the family. kinnitty, about an hour outside dublin.
havent totally nailed it down, but i believe michael dwyer's brother is my 5g grandfather. so i think anything in the wicklow mountains would feel like home.
a lot of irish arent too fond of irish americans who think they're irish. but between having the passport, knowing my exact ties, my history, and knowing most of the drinking songs, i think i would get by. i can fake a lilt, if not a brogue. and i own an authentic shillelagh.
greatauntoftriplets
(176,852 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(176,852 posts)Mine certainly didn't
You can thank Cromwell and the Penal Laws for that. https://hilo.hawaii.edu/campuscenter/hohonu/volumes/documents/FromOppressiontoNationalism-TheIrishPenalLawsof1695SamanthaHowell.pdf
Here's a list of the Penal Laws:
https://www.libraryireland.com/HistoryIreland/Penal-Laws.php
As late as 1870, 97 percent of the land in Ireland was leased to tenant farmers. It was a lease-at-will system where the tenants could be thrown out if they owed rent money. That's why you read about so many evictions during the famine years. My great-great grandmother was one of those. Her husband died in 1848. At some point, she and her six children had to move into a nearby town where she worked in a mill. I'm not sure of the exact timeline. When she emigrated in 1853, the landlord paid the passage on a coffin ship (the Robert Kelly out of Liverpool to New York). He then sent her to a mill that he owned in Portland, ME, to work off the cost of the passage for seven family members.
One of her daughters married a brewer from Chicago, which is why I don't live in Maine.
http://www.historyhome.co.uk/c-eight/ireland/ire-land.htm
OnDoutside
(20,656 posts)In all likelihood their family were probably tenant farmers.
mopinko
(71,813 posts)i havent found all that much about any of them before they left.
back a few gen, tho, a cousin, from the last known town on one side, who told me mine was a pretty powerful.
dont rly care about the title part, would just like a connection.
my nephew books cruises, and he does heritage tours. finds the olde haunts for ya, and transports you around.
OnDoutside
(20,656 posts)mopinko
(71,813 posts)they farm out the heritage planning, tho.