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This sentence has five words. (Original Post) rug Sep 2015 OP
I could not agree more. (yes, five words--LOL). Still, modern writing so emphasizes short, concise hlthe2b Sep 2015 #1
It's the Hemingway effect. rug Sep 2015 #3
Well, there is the other extreme, for sure! hlthe2b Sep 2015 #4
I was about to mention Hemingway packman Sep 2015 #6
This is great. Thank you. I shared it with a writer friend. lamp_shade Sep 2015 #2
Thank you for this post. classof56 Sep 2015 #5
Have you ever read the essay "Notes on Punctuation" by Lewis Thomas? arcane1 Sep 2015 #27
Thanks for the ref! classof56 Sep 2015 #30
Semicolons; lol Brainstormy Sep 2015 #29
Five are often too many. DirkGently Sep 2015 #7
Is that last bit passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #18
Beautiful. The English language is beautiful. PatrickforO Sep 2015 #8
One thing I've seen repeated often is, "The shortest sentence in the English Language is: "I am." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #9
Reminds me of a joke about double negatives RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #11
Perfect shadowmayor Sep 2015 #17
Last time I heard that one was in the 80s. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #21
Haha. Yeah, it's, like, totally out of date now. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #23
Some things are timeless. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #24
And the longest sentence in the English language is: "I do." 1monster Sep 2015 #14
.....heh....... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #22
An entire thought of anything can be expressed in one sentence lunatica Sep 2015 #10
I agree. I think of music when I write too. nolabear Sep 2015 #12
What a terrific teaching graphic! 1monster Sep 2015 #13
Except, Then, You Have a One Sentence Paragraph mckara Sep 2015 #15
copying and emailing to my old English (2) teacher w0nderer Sep 2015 #16
Yes! frogmarch Sep 2015 #19
Premature punctuation is very unsatisfying. rug Sep 2015 #20
And speaking of punctuation RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #25
Hmmm, it looks okay to me. Is it the dash? rug Sep 2015 #26
I can live with em dashes. Sometimes I really like them. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #28
THIS sentence is a Lie Americananuck Feb 2016 #31
Yes! aswanson Feb 2016 #32

hlthe2b

(106,647 posts)
1. I could not agree more. (yes, five words--LOL). Still, modern writing so emphasizes short, concise
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:10 AM
Sep 2015

sentences (and dumbing down to a sixth grade level), that I agree that it becomes boring. Heaven forbid the inclusion of a single sentence in passive voice....

I wasn't taught that way and I never read most good literature that so deemphasized "variety" in sentence length and structure. It has always irritated me that the past two decades have brought us down to such a low level of communication. Is it any wonder so few can read technical, legal, governmental, or scientific literature without their eyes glazing over?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. It's the Hemingway effect.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:16 AM
Sep 2015

Which indeed got me wondering.

Hemingway’s Longest Sentence:

“That something I cannot yet define completely but the feeling comes when you write well and truly of something and know impersonally you have written in that way and those who are paid to read it and report on it do not like the subject so they say it is all a fake, yet you know its value absolutely; or when you do something which people do not consider a serious occupation and yet you know truly, that it is as important and has always been as important as all the things that are in fashion, and when, on the sea, you are alone with it and know that this Gulf Stream you are living with, knowing, learning about, and loving, has moved, as it moves, since before man, and that it has gone by the shoreline of that long, beautiful, unhappy island since before Columbus sighted it and that the things you find out about it, and those that have always lived in it are permanent and of value because that stream will flow, as it has flowed, after the Indians, after the Spaniards, after the British, after the Americans and after all the Cubans and all the systems of governments, the richness, the poverty, the martyrdom, the sacrifice and the venality and the cruelty are all gone as the high-piled scow of garbage, bright-colored, white-flecked, ill-smelling, now tilted on its side, spills off its load into the blue water, turning it a pale green to a depth of four or five fathoms as the load spreads across the surface, the sinkable part going down and the flotsam of palm fronds, corks, bottles, and used electric light globes, seasoned with an occasional condom or a deep floating corset, the torn leaves of a student’s exercise book, a well-inflated dog, the occasional rat, the no-longer-distinguished cat; all this well shepherded by the boats of the garbage pickers who pluck their prizes with long poles, as interested, as intelligent, and as accurate as historians; they have the viewpoint; the stream, with no visible flow, takes five loads of this a day when things are going well in La Habana and in ten miles along the coast it is as clear and blue and unimpressed as it was ever before the tug hauled out the scow; and the palm fronds of our victories, the worn light bulbs of our discoveries and the empty condoms of our great loves float with no significance against one single, lasting thing—the stream.”

https://sunalsorises.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/ever-wondered-about-hemingways-longest-sentence/
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
6. I was about to mention Hemingway
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:49 AM
Sep 2015

Taught about his skill in writing short, non descriptive sentences that avoided adjectives and the economy of his prose.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
5. Thank you for this post.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

As a writer, I practice what I call economy of words. I try never to use semicolons, which Kurt Vonnegut described as "transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing..."

Your post is so spot-on, I am copying it to include in my good-advice-for-writers file.

Cheers and keep writing, everyone!

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
27. Have you ever read the essay "Notes on Punctuation" by Lewis Thomas?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:40 PM
Sep 2015

It's great, and hilarious!

classof56

(5,376 posts)
30. Thanks for the ref!
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 12:48 PM
Sep 2015

Just now read it, printed it off and yep, it's hilarious, definitely going in my "good advice" file. Only moments ago, I was having a conversation with my professional editor daughter, who's reading a novel on Kindle by an author unfamiliar to me. She remarked it's a good enough story, but the author is a terrible writer--knows nothing about the rules of punctuation, not to mention spelling. She just read Thomas' essay, pronounced it good.

Funny!

Brainstormy

(2,433 posts)
29. Semicolons; lol
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 10:27 PM
Sep 2015

I always told my students that they could live long happy lives without ever using a semicolon. I've always thought they were a special abomination in fiction.

thanks for the Vonnegut reference!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
9. One thing I've seen repeated often is, "The shortest sentence in the English Language is: "I am."
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:32 PM
Sep 2015

To which I reply, "So?"

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
11. Reminds me of a joke about double negatives
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:06 PM
Sep 2015

When a teacher told his class, "Although you can use a double negative to mean a positive, you can't use a double positive to mean a negative," a student in the back muttered "Yeah, right."

nolabear

(43,276 posts)
12. I agree. I think of music when I write too.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:08 PM
Sep 2015

You have to help the reader. Create tension, break that tension, give periods of rest, throw in some lightness (particularly when dealing with dark matters), and so forth. It's like a satisfying concert, or a well constructed meal.

Good post!

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
15. Except, Then, You Have a One Sentence Paragraph
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:29 PM
Sep 2015

And that's supposedly bad, too! You just can't win.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
16. copying and emailing to my old English (2) teacher
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:36 PM
Sep 2015

CC'ing to my (1) language teacher too.

Thanks

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
25. And speaking of punctuation
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:36 PM
Sep 2015

Am I the only one who quibbles with the punctuation of the last sentence?

I think it might've made more sense to enclose the last six words inside quotation marks. It not only makes the sentence clearer, but it also avoids the perception of a run-on.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
28. I can live with em dashes. Sometimes I really like them.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:51 PM
Sep 2015

No, it's the uninterrupted transition from "say" to "listen" that gives me pause (perhaps because I feel it needs some sort of pause).

 

aswanson

(50 posts)
32. Yes!
Mon Feb 8, 2016, 12:13 AM
Feb 2016

I absolutely agree--unfortunately this is something that i have trouble with in my own writing.

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