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AS I WAS RAGING NORTH toward Switzerland in the 986-hp Ferrari SF90 Stradale in July, I was feeling pretty good about myself. After all, I was saving the Earth. The Stradale is a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV)powered by a twin-turbo V8 (about 780 hp) assisted by three electric motors and a lithium-ion battery pack. The idea is that Juan-Philippe Cliente, or his manservant, will plug in the Ferrari at night so that it may provide electric-only driving range in the morning. Notionally, the Stradales hybrid design will allow it to operate in European cities low-emission zones.
With its battery fully charged (7.9 kWH), the Stradale can achieve admirable efficiency of 51 mpg-e, according to the EPA. But penny-pinchers need to check the fine print. That applies only to the first 8 miles. Practically within sight of my hotel in Maranello, Italy, the Stradale had devolved into its baser, grumbling, gas-powered naturealbeit with a kind of Prius-of-the-gods electric torque assist.
The Stradale has plenty of company in Crazytown. The PHEV version of the Bentley Bentayga can waft silently only about 18 miles, officially; the Jeep Wrangler 4xe, 21. Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid, 17. These short electric legscombined with powerful internal combustion (IC) enginesdo almost nothing to improve overall fuel efficiency. Why do manufacturers even bother? Like most PHEVsonly slightly more sothe Stradale is a compliance baby, with a powertrain designed to meet soaring vehicle emissions/consumption requirements in major vehicle markets, using de minimis electrical systems added to IC powertrains. In some respects PHEVs are a technical echo of a time not long ago2010when such machines were being showered with public money and held to wildly unrigorous standards.
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In November the environmental pressure group Transport & Environment published a study of the emissions of the popular BMW X5, Mitsubishi Outlander, and Volvo XC60 plugins. The study observed that, even with a fully charged battery and in optimal conditions, the emissions of these vehicles were 28-89% higher than the official value. In cases when the battery went flat, emissions jumped three to eight times higher than listed. And, as when a PHEV runs the gas engine hard to charge the battery, the report says emissions were up to 12 times higher.
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You might be wondering how it all could have gone so wrong for PHEV, a powertrain architecture that once seemed so logical as to be inevitable? In brief, there are two kinds of PHEVs: short-range and long-range. PHEVs with more than about 37 miles of EV rangelike the Chevrolet Volt (2011-2019)do meaningfully displace gasoline-driven miles, reduce emissions and save consumers money, according to a 2019 report by UC Davis International EV Policy Council. But short-range PHEVsthe vast preponderance on the marketdont, except in limited conditions. Why? Its behavioral. Studies show that the shorter a vehicles all-EV range, the less likely owners are to bother charging overnight. And, when owners dont charge overnight, PHEVs calculations of efficiency go upside down in the morning. Actually, a short-range PHEV with a flat battery is lugging around a lot of useless weight.
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brush
(57,630 posts)It's all image, they just go a few miles per charge?
That's phony.
JohnSJ
(96,585 posts)PHEV get a minimum of 40 to 60 miles on all electric without the ICE kicking in
They are not an illusion
It depends on your comute
Unless I travel a very long distance, I go months without using a drop of gas
and it is even better if the comute destinations have chargers
What is the illusion is that 80% of electricity produced in the US is generated from fossil fuels, and until that changes, it is all an illusion
In addyeven the hybrids and PHEV when the switch to hybrid mode they have ultra low emissions, which are still better for the environment than a pure ICE
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)kysrsoze
(6,145 posts)I own a full electric, but hybrid options are nothing to poke fun of, unless youre talking about a Ferrari or something aimilar. Those hybrids are for nothing but additional boost on top of the gas-hog engines.
JohnSJ
(96,585 posts)Laurelin
(642 posts)I own a Prius Prime. Most of my driving is on the battery. When I lived in Austin and drove over 26,000 miles/ year I filled up twice a month. (I am not sure about the tank size, 11 or 12 gallons. I never get below 1/4 tank before refueling).. Since I moved to the Netherlands 27 months ago I have filled up three times. Last time was on half a tank. I haven't bothered to calculate the mpg for my car.
Edir: I Googled the gas tank size. 11.3 gallons. So in over two years my car has used less than 30 gallons of gas.