HOLY SHIT!!! Did you see the final play of tonight's World Series Game?

[gopiscrap]

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what do you think of that obstruction call?

[hrmjustin]

1. I think the right call was made.

[gopiscrap]

2. I don't know

I didn't think the obstruction was intentional

[hrmjustin]

4. I think the rule says it does not have to be intentional.

[Ranchemp.]

11. The umpires held a presser

and explained that, intentional or not, it's still obstruction, they said whether or not it was intentional didn't figure in the call.
Jim Joyce made the right call and Dana DuMuth immediately signaled that obstruction had been called.

[gopiscrap]

23. I am from Europe and didn't get into baseball til later in life

I had always thought that the obstruction had to be either intentional or so egregious that a player could have obviously avoided it and that situation didn't look that way to me. I stand corrected, thanks I learned something!

[Ranchemp.]

24. You're welcome.

MLB has said that they're going to review this rule and possibly rewrite the intent portion of it.

[gopiscrap]

25. that should be interesting

[theHandpuppet]

21. Looked intentional to me

When he bent and raised his knees to trip the runner.

BTW, I don't have a horse in this race.

[Hayabusa]

3. Third baseman's legs went up

and I can't help but think that it was an intentional attempt to obstruct the baserunner.

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. he was trying to get up - had no idea what was going on - but no matter...obstruction is what it is.

thoroughly bizarre.

if Salty's throw wasn't horrible then it wouldn't have happened (no one has mentioned that....should have been Ross catching tonight).

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. You are right about the throw - but do you really think it looked like he was trying to

get up? Hmmmm. Looked to me like he was just lying there - like there wasn't even enough time for him to figure out whether or not to get out of way or get up.

[NRaleighLiberal]

6. What's odd is no one mentioned what a horrible through Salty made....

Ross should have caught tonight. Farrell is being out managed at this point.

[VWolf]

30. I mentioned it

about 10 times, with expletives, when it happened.

[Skeeter Barnes]

7. That was pretty wild! And they made the correct call.

There is even a scenario in the rulebook describing something very similar to the play that happened tonight.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. That's the catch - they don't define (would be difficult to do) the amount of time "continues

to lie on the ground" means.

Of course I am thrilled - but fair is fair and it really didn't look intentional to me - although that last kick up of his feet looked a tiny bit fishy

[gopiscrap]

13. yeah I was wondering about that last kick also

[Skeeter Barnes]

14. There is no "catch". The rule is clear.

[FailureToCommunicate]

18. "The rule is clear" Except for the next sentence that states "...he has very likely has obstructed

the runner" VERY likely. Not definitely. Not so clear. The easy result could have been to let the play finish and have the umps conference and decide after some review.

The home plate ump had already shown himself to be biased (Far too many strike calls in the Cardinals favor)

We was robbed.

(BUT, it IS only a game)

[Skeeter Barnes]

19. You don't call tripping a runner a clear case of obstruction?

The play at the plate meant nothing. Obstruction had already been called. The runner was allowed to advance by rule after the third baseman tripped him. But you expect them to disregard the rules and talk about it for awhile until they decide it's OK to trip a runner who would have scored? The rule was applied exactly as written in the rule book so no, you weren't robbed. You just got beat.

And crying over balls and strikes is bush league. Quit whining and swing the bat.

[FailureToCommunicate]

20. No, I don't. DId you watch the slo mo of the play? The 3rd baseman didn't

"trip him" The runner tried to hop over him and stumbled WITHOUT touching him.

Okay, the rules say call it obstruction. But today we read that the Commission WILL look at the rule and possibly add wording about intent, precisely for a play like this where the video shows no contact (after they ran into each other, that is) and no intent to obstruct

And because you're new here, I will point out that I was able to post replies without resorting to personal disparagement.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. I didn't watch the game, but when I heard the lead-in on ESPN, and they said

"tripped him"...I envisioned someone standing near the baseline with their foot stuck out tripping the runner.

Watching it over, the third baseman looked to me like he was just staying still - like a person does when they hear a loud noise or hear something falling - you don't move because it is unknown where the danger is.

I think the ump thought he should have moved out of the way. But, was there enough time? Guess it doesn't matter according to the rules. At this given moment in time - he was there in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Still, the only thing that bothers me is the way he kicked up his feet.

[joshcryer]

8. Correct call.

Sucky that it went down that way but the rules don't talk about intent and the third baseman didn't intend it, as we all saw, but it was still an obstruction. Shame it went down that way.

[groundloop]

28. ^^^ +1 Correct call. That rule merely puts a runner at the base he'd have reached ....

had the obstruction not happened. It was clear that the runner would have scored had he not gotten tangled up in the third baseman's legs, therefore it was the proper call.

And Salty had no business making that throw anyway.

[Gore1FL]

12. The biggest problem is the apparent Red Sox inability to throw from home to third.

Games 2-3 were handed to the Cardinals by the Red Sox. Game 1 was handed to the Red Sox by the Cardinals.

[Skeeter Barnes]

15. Just wondering aloud...

Do you think these guys are tired? I think the season is too long and they're worn out by the time the playoffs start. That's why there's all these errors. The World Series needs to be over before October instead of just starting up.

[Gore1FL]

16. I can see that as a valid argument

The extra post-season games add 11-19 extra games (12-20 if the WildCard goes to the series.) That's a sizable extension to the season.

It's getting cold, too.

[Skeeter Barnes]

17. I think it is too much, especially for the pitchers.

.. not that we haven't seen some good pitching but these are elite level pitchers and they are coming out of the game in the 4-6 inning sometimes.

I watched the Braves all season and their pitching fell flat in the last month of the regular season. They were out of gas and they started getting rocked.

These guys that are pitching/catching right now will be reporting to spring training in less than 4 months.

[Brother Buzz]

26. HOLY SHIT!!! Did you see the final play of the next nights World Series Game?

First time in World Series history, a game ends with a "walk-off pick-off.", and it happened while the baseball talking heads were snarking about how ludicrous it was to attempt to hold Kolten Wong at first.

Kolten Wong sucked in and got played

[gopiscrap]

27. yup

that was crazy on Saturday first time a World Series game ended on an obstruction and on Sunday the first time a game ended on a pick off. Pretty bizarre and both teams in a game were the victims.

[Brother Buzz]

29. I hardly see how the Cardinals could be considered victims

When their own bone-headed runner got played.

[gopiscrap]

32. because it was an ill timed mistake

I was trying to use a kind set of words.

[Brother Buzz]

33. The ill-timed mistake was that fat pitch Seth Maness threw in the sixth

Jonny Gomes' three-run homer was the game. Rookie Wong falling asleep and getting picked-off was entertainment. I'm just saying.

[gopiscrap]

34. Ha ha I am laughing you're right but I think that was also an ill timed mistake!!

Do you think the Red Sox will win on Wednesday?

[Brother Buzz]

35. The Sox may be at an advantage playing a team that is just learning the idiosyncrasies of the 'wall'

That, and the American League designated hitter thingy restores the Sox to their full potential.

That being said, I believe either team can beat the other on any given day.

[gopiscrap]

36. Yeah, but I have the feeling the Sox have some pretty good mo jo going

plus all season they seem to have been able to capitalize on opponents little mistakes better than just about any team I've seen play this season.

[VWolf]

31. Goes to show you

how little the "talking heads" know

[joeybee12]

37. Thank God it didn't affect the outcome of the series!

[gopiscrap]

38. agreed

[joeybee12]

39. I tend to think it was the right call...although very unsual and you could

make an argument that another ump wouldn't have called it...but it's water under the bridge now.