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Related: About this forumBaseball HOF voting takes place today. Here's the full list of candidates.
This years list.
Name, Year on Ballot, % of 2021 vote
Barry Bonds 10th 61.8%
Roger Clemens 10th 61.6%
Alex Rodriguez 1st
Curt Schilling 10th 71.1%
Scott Rolen 5th 52.9%
Manny Ramirez 6th 28.2%
Andruw Jones 5th 33.9%
Todd Helton 4th 44.9%
Sammy Sosa 10th 17.0%
Bobby Abreu 3rd 8.7%
Gary Sheffield 8th 40.6%
Tim Hudson 2nd 5.2%
Mark Buehrle 2nd 11.0%
Andy Pettitte 4th 13.7%
Jeff Kent 9th 32.4%
David Ortiz 1st
Mark Teixeira 1st
Torii Hunter 2nd 9.5%
Jimmy Rollins 1st
Omar Vizquel 5th 49.1%
Carl Crawford 1st
Jake Peavy 1st
Justin Morneau 1st
Prince Fielder 1st
Joe Nathan 1st
Billy Wagner 7th 46.4%
Tim Lincecum 1st
Jonathan Papelbon 1st
A.J. Pierzynski 1st
Ryan Howard 1st
MontanaMama
(24,023 posts)Racist POS.
Diamond_Dog
(34,676 posts)I dont think hell be voted in.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Just sayin'
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MontanaMama
(24,023 posts)Then I can ignore his belly aching on the socials...it's a cycle and I'm not gonna lie...I kinda like it.
JT45242
(2,903 posts)It was well known around baseball that 'roids followed Manny Ramirez around and that the Red Sox would liekly have looked very bad if anyone else had written the Mitchell report. Mitchell was well known to be a big Red Sox fan and went out of his way to look the Yankees look bad and did little to investigate the 'baggy shirt antics' or Ramirez and Ortiz and the other Red Sox. But, the guys who were suspected of using 'rids and were nice to the media seem to get away with.
On a separate note -- Hard to believe that anyone who actually ever watched a baseball game thinks that Scotty Rolen is more deserving of the HoF than Omar Vizquel who may be the best defensive shortstop to ever play the game. He didn't do a back flip on opening day to draw notoriety but as someone who watched him nearly every day when he was with the Indians -- it was jaw dropping.
I thought Davey Concepcion and bouncing the ball off the astroturf was brilliant and Ozzie Smith had exceptional range-- but neither of them were nearly as good as Vizquel.
underpants
(186,672 posts)In my book.
Moostache
(10,163 posts)They can join Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose on the list of all-time greats who will never be enshrined as Hall of Famers.
RockRaven
(16,279 posts)He was already in the 400-400 club (and remains the only member, I think) by the late 90s.
JT45242
(2,903 posts)When you look at Clemens -- he was clearly hall of very good and not HoF when the Red Sox cut him looose with a dead arm before he started juicing. He was under 200 wins.
Bonds was great before steroids. If you ended his career in 2000, before most people think he took his first PED. Here are his career stats:
2143 Games
2157 Hits
451 doubles
69 triples
494 homers
471 SB (top 50 all time)
1547 walks (15 th all time)
BA .289
OBO .411
SLG 0.567
OPS 0.979
3 MVP awards
Rookie of the year
8 gold gloves
8 silver sluggers
His OPS before steroids is beaten for a career by only a handful of non-roid users from MLB (ignoring the Negro league guys for easy reference). Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Foxx, Greenberg, Hornsby.
If he quit before he took a steroid that's it. His career OPS is better than Mantle, Dimaggio, Musial who are next on the list.
He is the only 400 HR and 400 SB. (only 8 have 300-300 including a couple of very mediocre players in Reggie Sanders and Steve Finley)
Me -- I would put Bonds in but owuld not habe put in Beltran, Piazza or anyone else who likely used. Bonds was already in the HoF before he took the cream and the clear.
Just my 2 cents