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Related: About this forumEvidence points to Ryan Braun Juicing.
I love to look at the stats of an alleged juicer and see if the stats have spiked from the previous season.
Sure looks like his did.
chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)TZ
(42,998 posts)Use the old accidental ingestion excuse. Ive heard the theory that he released this news himself to help with it. For the record I'm skeptical of that claim.
So thats why I check stats.
Definite improvement over 2010.
That's some pretty damning evidence.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)trumad
(41,692 posts)his stats spiked quite a bit.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Look at all five years. The stats ebb and flow quite like one would expect.
If he is guilty, he is guilty. But the stats don't show it.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Taken as a whole, it looks like he really broke out in 2009, dipped a little in 2010 and then came back in 2011. As HuckleB says, it looks like the normal ebb and flow between seasons.
proudultraliberal
(1 post)He should be if Guilty have his MVP stripped or at least a revote if Guilty. also No HOF either
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)As long as we're also taking away the records of the juicer era. If not, then why the hypocrisy?
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)It really sucks...I hope he didn't, but he probably did...it's cheating and in this day and age did he think he WOULDN'T get caught?
It's as if these guys don't care what it does to their legacy.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The tests are always behind the ability to get around the tests.
Don't pretend otherwise.
Oddly, some bring up Kemp. If we're looking at stats, isn't he a possible juicer?
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Take a look at 2000, and then 2001.
That's evidence of juicing via statistics. Braun's statistics are not.
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Boone's spike came when he was 32 and then sustained itself till he was 35. That's way out of the normal career progression.
Braun meanwhile is still in the so-called prime of his career, when he SHOULD be hitting these numbers. I have absolutely no idea whether or not Braun used PED's, but his stats do not show it.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Ter
(4,281 posts)Here we have an MVP caught juicing, many years younger than Bonds, and putting up nowhere's near the numbers of someone in his late 30's.
trumad
(41,692 posts)and a hall of famer without the juice.
Unfortunately he was a world class egotist and couldn't stand what Sosa and McGuire were doing while they were juicing.
philosopher215
(22 posts)Ouch... that is one in consistent juicer. You sure this that inconsistency isn't better explained by luck?