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Jon Gruden appears to be an absolutely despicable person. (Original Post) Bleacher Creature Oct 2021 OP
He resigns by the end of the day tomorrow, IMO True Dough Oct 2021 #1
It sure as hell wont be because that ass Davis wants to fire him, he may not at all actually. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #3
I hope this is a good summary. Th context is that he and Allen were just good old boying it. underpants Oct 2021 #6
Thanks, and the truth is there is NO way owner Davis and others havent known this about Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #18
Guarantee you he's gone ... Davis won't stand for this ... Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #10
Al Davis wanted who gone? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #17
Meaning at minimum, no way does Mark Davis want him around now that this crap has come out ... Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #19
I didnt realize Gruden was with the Raiders that far back... Eliot Rosewater Oct 2021 #20
His crazy 10 year $100M contract is guaranteed I think. underpants Oct 2021 #5
Yeah, but I'd bet there's 'ways out' for Davis ... Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #8
2008 - I'll never forget watching Al fire Lane Kiffin "with cause" underpants Oct 2021 #11
Really, the f word in 2021 from a grown man? hibbing Oct 2021 #2
Don't think it's from 2021, but it damn sure ain't from, like, 1973, so ... yeah, buh-bye (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #9
Gee how am I not shocked that Bruce Allen was involved underpants Oct 2021 #4
Tom Pelissero (a football reporter) has tweeted that a source tells him Gruden has told RockRaven Oct 2021 #7
Woof! underpants Oct 2021 #12
Says it's official. Gruden's out. Nice tip Rock. underpants Oct 2021 #13
Good - it's nice to see that there are consequences for stuff like this, even in the NFL. Bleacher Creature Oct 2021 #15
The league wants to distance itself from this sort of crap underpants Oct 2021 #16
he's out....good riddance.... bahboo Oct 2021 #14

Eliot Rosewater

(32,536 posts)
3. It sure as hell wont be because that ass Davis wants to fire him, he may not at all actually.
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:56 PM
Oct 2021

I cant get the article, not that it matters but how long ago were the hateful GAY remarks and it what context?

I just want the info, I am sure he is exactly how you describe him.

I was a Raiders fan during and after Stabler and Madden. But knowing how they went out of their way to harm other players back then makes me wish I hadnt been.

I watched them in training camp and was around that scene back then.

And can anybody tell me why Davis wants his hair to look like that?

underpants

(186,689 posts)
6. I hope this is a good summary. Th context is that he and Allen were just good old boying it.
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 08:04 PM
Oct 2021

Goodell and drafting Michael Sams comments were in 2014.

Criticism of the league trying to eliminate concussions was in 2018.

Criticized Obama and Biden in 2012

In one email from 2015 that includes Droste, McVay and others, Gruden crudely asked Allen to tell Bryan Glazer, whose family owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Gruden coached until 2008, to perform oral sex on him. Allen said Glazer would “take you up on that offer.”

Mocked Caitlyn Jenner in 2015

In 2017, Droste shared with the group a sexist meme of a female referee to which Gruden replied, “Nice job roger.”

But Gruden’s behavior was not limited to 2011. Gruden exchanged emails with Allen and other men that included photos of women wearing only bikini bottoms, including one photo of two Washington team cheerleaders.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,536 posts)
18. Thanks, and the truth is there is NO way owner Davis and others havent known this about
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 09:19 PM
Oct 2021

him for a long time. Plus at other teams.

No wonder Gay players dont want to come out.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. Guarantee you he's gone ... Davis won't stand for this ...
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 08:19 PM
Oct 2021

His mom Carol Davis, is not going to let him.

Al would not. In fact, this kinda shit is why Al wanted him gone the first time.

Eliot Rosewater

(32,536 posts)
17. Al Davis wanted who gone?
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 09:16 PM
Oct 2021

And when you say he wont stand for it, surely none of this is unknown to Davis and others in the league.

Surely he is known to be this guy.

I didnt know it but I am not even a fan, but others had to.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
19. Meaning at minimum, no way does Mark Davis want him around now that this crap has come out ...
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 10:39 PM
Oct 2021

Not sure how much he 'knew' before, but certainly could have known this was what Gruden was like. Or maybe he didn't.

Al Davis in 2002 clearly didn't want Gruden around anymore, even after he'd gotten the Raiders to the playoffs for 2 straight seasons after a LONG playoff drought. Gruden probably mouthed off around Al, some of this same kind of racist or misogynist stuff.

AL was a prick in many ways, but he was a pioneer in terms of the hiring of minorities and women.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jon-gruden-trade-raiders-buccaneers/lx7i1j2be78t1k73pnzge6wnn

underpants

(186,689 posts)
5. His crazy 10 year $100M contract is guaranteed I think.
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:59 PM
Oct 2021

Urban Meyer might be out too down in Jacksonville.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. Yeah, but I'd bet there's 'ways out' for Davis ...
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 08:14 PM
Oct 2021

My bet is he takes them, and forces Gruden out.

This is not the kind of show Mark Davis wants to be running, I am virtually positive of that.

underpants

(186,689 posts)
11. 2008 - I'll never forget watching Al fire Lane Kiffin "with cause"
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 08:24 PM
Oct 2021

I just happened to be home that day and I saw that Al was holding a press conference. It was like 45 minutes with an overhead projector of point after point after point.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3618813

hibbing

(10,402 posts)
2. Really, the f word in 2021 from a grown man?
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:49 PM
Oct 2021

What an asshole, I'm sure he'll land soflty somewhere, or just take his money and slither away.

Peace

underpants

(186,689 posts)
4. Gee how am I not shocked that Bruce Allen was involved
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 07:57 PM
Oct 2021

Brother of former Gov. and Senator George. Bruce has no credibility other than being George Sr.’s son. Indeed there is a circle of people who just shuffle around from organization to organization clearly with no idea what they are doing other than sitting on the money printing operation that is the NFL.

Bruce Allen made the Washington team into a cluster.

RockRaven

(16,283 posts)
7. Tom Pelissero (a football reporter) has tweeted that a source tells him Gruden has told
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 08:12 PM
Oct 2021

his staff that he plans to resign.

I hope his source is legit.

Bleacher Creature

(11,436 posts)
15. Good - it's nice to see that there are consequences for stuff like this, even in the NFL.
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 09:11 PM
Oct 2021

And this time, he's not going to have a lucrative broadcasting gig to follow his coaching career, at least not anytime soon.

underpants

(186,689 posts)
16. The league wants to distance itself from this sort of crap
Mon Oct 11, 2021, 09:12 PM
Oct 2021

I do think his contract was guaranteed but we’ll find out I’m sure.

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