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Related: About this forumBrowns should replace Stefanski, not Mayfield
There's buzz in Cleveland that Mayfield may have played his last game for the Browns.
This would be a mistake.
Mayfield proved his chops last year and overachieved on a team with some glaring weaknesses.
This year the team was ravaged by injuries (the biggest of which were to Mayfield and his starting right tackle), bad locker room blood caused by the Beckham incident, COVID suspensions, dubious play-calling, and some really stupid player penalties.
All fall on the shoulders on Stefanski.
Mayfield should have gone on IR and been replaced by back-up Case Keenum. Beckham could have been handled before he and his dad threw tantrums that polarized the team. Off-field COVID masking and distancing protocols should have been better encouraged and enforced (over 20 players were out of the game with Las Vegas, including Stefanski, who had his second COVID infection in less than one year). And the O.C. should have called the plays. Not Stefanski.
It starts on the field with the head coach. If you watched the Monday night debacle between Cleveland and Pittsburgh you saw it all.
gibraltar72
(7,629 posts)but the blocked passes are on him. Also he looked indecisive on when and who to throw the ball too recently.
Auggie
(31,803 posts)Plus, Cleveland's formations did not fool the Steelers. One Cleveland beat writer noted they used the same formation on several pass plays -- a back lined-up next to Mayfield, Mayfield takes a three-step drop, then throws. Pittsburgh simply watched his eyes then rushed with their hands up on those formations.
YP_Yooper
(291 posts)For crying out loud, he said as much.
TJ Watt had the most tackles in the NFL for, what 4 years straight? Put a rookie on him and think Mayfield had a real chance? When they doubled up on Watt, then they got nailed from the other side. What choice did he have but to get rid of the ball ASAP?
Last year showed he can step up if he has the support.
Auggie
(31,803 posts)FYI: in a recent game Tennessee handled Nick Bosa of the 49ers really well by alternating between RBs and TEs as additional blockers. It helped that one receiver -- I think A.J. Brown -- ran stellar routes vs a weak 49ers secondary and caught everything thrown to him. Browns weren't able to adapt like the Titans did.
YP_Yooper
(291 posts)Raven123
(6,052 posts)He just gets outcoached in too many games
Auggie
(31,803 posts)Mayfield's passing game is serviceable. Not a great QB, but way above average. Enough to complement good rushing.
Botany
(72,494 posts)He should have shut it down, got his surgeries, and come back next season. Keenum had a very good game
@ QB after which Baker started playing again and was God awful. The man had a broken bone in his shoulder,
and a torn labrum on his left side and bad knee. His QB rating is 35.
Stefanski is now shutting Mayfield down when it doesn't matter for the season's last game. Maybe he should
go too.
bluedigger
(17,148 posts)Let Mayfield "play for his lunch" as Peter King said. He's got one year left, I believe, on his contract. No way they should make an offer on a new contract yet.
Auggie
(31,803 posts)Diamond_Dog
(34,770 posts)Mayfield wanted to play even though he was hurt. Stefanski should have shut him down and played Keenum. A lot of the Browns woes are on Stefanski, IMO.
Getting rid of Beckham was a good move by mgmt. though.
The COVID thing is the most infuriating to me.
exboyfil
(18,004 posts)So I think it would be a mistake to move on. The Browns still have the franchise tag i so if he does well there is still some negotiation room. Keenum is a fine back up and a bridge if necessary.
RockRaven
(16,283 posts)There are probably a dozen teams whose fans want to get rid of their starting QB, but there aren't a dozen QBs who aren't currently starting in the NFL better than those dozen guys who supposedly need replacing, just sitting around waiting for a job offer.
Those teams have to a) draft a QB, b) participate in the annual less-than-satisfying-QB-musical-chairs shuffle, or c) stick with what they've got.
If CLE were to move on from Mayfield, what would the plan be? Who could they realistically get? To me there isn't an obvious slam-dunk answer.
YP_Yooper
(291 posts)Trying to find a quality QB with slim pickin's
Auggie
(31,803 posts)would be their luck. Didn't the Browns look over Ben R in the draft? A lot of talent left to go to the Steelers over the years.
Auggie
(31,803 posts)that was the year they acquired Jeff Garcia. Garcia broke 49er passing records set by Joe Montana and Steve Young. Yet with Cleveland, in one game I recall, he managed a quarterback rating of 0 (zero). It was against Dallas.
Winslow suffered a leg injury the second game of his rookie season then was injured in a dirt bike accident his second season.
In 2005 the Browns chose wide receiver Braylon Edwards over Aaron Rodgers (the 49ers selected Alex Smith). Two bungles, though both teams were so dysfunctional it wouldn't have made a difference. Turned out great for Rodgers. And Rothlisberger.