In a show of contrition, Catholic dioceses begin long road of healing

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

In the end, it didn’t matter much what the bishop said during the Mass of Reparation and Prayer for Healing for victims of the sex abuse scandal.
His gesture said it all.
Standing in front of the altar Tuesday (Sept. 25) in Raleigh’s Holy Name of Jesus Cathedral, Bishop Luis Rafael Zarama took his violet zucchetto from his head and fell to his knees.

“I’d like all you who have been abused, who have been victims of this horrible crime, in the name of the church, I ask for forgiveness,” he said.
For the next 20 minutes, as he delivered his homily without notes in his heavily accented English — he is Colombian — Zarama was on his knees.

To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2018/09/26/in-a-show-of-contrition-catholic-dioceses-begin-long-road-of-healing/

If it is to be more than just a public show, the RCC must do far more. This is a step, but it is just a first step on the long road to change.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

1. BFD

This isn't even a fraction of a step. Priests have to say mass every day.

PAY THEM THE FUCKING MONEY YOU ASSHOLES. AND ACTUALLY FIRE SOME PEOPLE.

Until something real actually happens, it's just more smoke and mirrors. We know that historically.

[guillaumeb]

2. Actions speak loudly.

As I noted.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

3. He held a mass.

Which he has to do everyday.

Yeah, yeah, he fell to his knees and said he was really sorry.

That and $3 will get you coffee at Starbucks.

[guillaumeb]

4. Perhaps he is sorry, and sincere.

Perhaps the RCC will make the changes needed.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

5. Perhaps pigs will fly out of his ass, too, to coin a phrase.

Based on the history of what the RCC has actually done when they have been "sorry," we will see fuck all from this.

[guillaumeb]

6. Let us revisit this in a year.

[trotsky]

7. A year?

How many centuries has this been going on?

How much slack does the RCC get?

CHANGE. NOW. Not in a fucking YEAR.

[guillaumeb]

10. Simplistic.

Eliminate racial animus now. Not in a year.

[trotsky]

18. Is there a global organization that racists belong to?

One that is headed by a single individual who can order changes to occur?

Nope. So your ridiculous false equivalence can be tossed right out.

The RCC *can* make instant changes to virtually eliminate their sex abuse problems. Why don't they?

[guillaumeb]

21. More simplicity. eom

[trotsky]

37. I guess you can't counter the facts that illustrate how your comparison fails.

Typical.

[Mariana]

12. Now Trotsky, you know this takes time.

It all has to be carefully scripted, you see.

In Raleigh, the service was carefully scripted, with clarion bells, a full choir and a long litany of supplications with the refrain: “Out of the depths, I cry to you, O Lord.” Zarama and his entourage of priests wore purple vestments, the color of penitence, typically worn during Lenten season.

[trotsky]

19. It's always about the PR.

The RCC has played that game for a long time. Hiring a former FOX News consultant as their PR guy has helped them ramp it up, definitely.

[Act_of_Reparation]

20. "Sorry" doesn't un-rape the children.

And "perhaps" isn't good enough.

Words are wind. Shit or get off the pot.

[The Genealogist]

22. This

Hail Marys and Novenas are not going to un-rape children. Clergymen can throw themselves down wailing before an altar with torn vestments or whatever, it is not enough. Real-world consequences for child rape need to apply.

[Voltaire2]

8. Go directly to jail.

Do not pass go.

The RCC is a global criminal cartel.

[Mariana]

9. "In Raleigh, the service was carefully scripted..." nt.

[guillaumeb]

11. Why did you not quote the full passage?

In Raleigh, the service was carefully scripted, with clarion bells, a full choir and a long litany of supplications with the refrain: “Out of the depths, I cry to you, O Lord.”
Zarama and his entourage of priests wore purple vestments, the color of penitence, typically worn during Lenten season.

Why no mention of the purple vestments? Or the symbolism of the color?

[Mariana]

13. I consider the details of the performance to be irrelevant. nt.

[guillaumeb]

14. So quick to judge?

I understand.

[Mariana]

15. They wrote a script (carefully!) and put on a show.

That's what the article says. Is it really important what costumes they wore?

[guillaumeb]

16. What is important, as I said in the post, is the actions taken.

Agreed?

[Mariana]

17. Yes. Agreed.

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The actions taken consisted of writing a script (carefully!) and putting on a show.

[MineralMan]

23. What is more important, however, are the failures to act.

They had a ceremony. That ceremony does nothing whatever to redress the harm done to victims over years, decades and centuries. Not a damned thing.

Future actions have not taken place. Come back and tell us about those at some later time.

[guillaumeb]

24. How insightful.

Future actions have not taken place.

[MineralMan]

25. Oh, thanks.

[marylandblue]

27. How uninsightful

To understand the words but not the meaning.

[MineralMan]

29. Understanding requires thought, not simply reaction.

That, I believe is the problem. If everything is simply derivative of the thoughts of others, you understand nothing, really. You are merely repeating what you have heard or read.

[Major Nikon]

26. Another...

[guillaumeb]

28. And given that these are your best responses,

I understand your fascination with them.

[Major Nikon]

30. Granted yours are far superior

Apologizing for the RCC seems to require a lot of effort, and is so noted.

[guillaumeb]

31. Oh no, yours are far superior.

As is your ability to mis-frame or misunderstand any argument that does not fit your preferred narrative.

[Major Nikon]

32. You really should work on your repertoire of canned responses

You've worn this one right out.

[guillaumeb]

33. But it applies so often...

that I use it.

[Major Nikon]

34. Good to know

Here I was thinking it was because you had nothing of substance to offer, yet still couldn't resist the burning desire to reply.

Either way it's still worth pulling the chain for the inevitable predictable response.

[guillaumeb]

35. And you provided that predictable response.

And further proof, as if it were needed, of the validity of my 11th Commandment observation. So many of the choir seem compelled to respond even when the responses are clearly whataboutism fallacies designed to divert and distract. And yet the same few keep responding in that way.

And then they complain that there is no dialogue.

[Major Nikon]

36. 'I'm rubber, you're glue'

Combined with, 'I know you are but what am I' and some 11th commandment argle bargle thrown in for good measure all in one post.

You are truly setting new standards for banality, so bravo on that one.