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This Six-Year-Old Boy Told a Church Audience, Im Tired of This Church
By Sarahbeth Caplin, January 3, 2019
6-year-old Naszir Ferrell was dragged to church on Christmas, something he clearly didnt want to do.
Then his grandmother put a microphone in his hand and asked him to say a few words, something else he clearly didnt want to do.
So he took the mic and said exactly what was on his mind: Im tired of this church.
The eight-second clip has since gone viral, but his father and pastor didnt quite have a sense of humor about it:During an interview on Facebook Live the day after, Naszir said the pastor took him in the bathroom and told him, dont do that again.
During the Facebook interview, Dominique Ferrell, the childs father, added I fired on him. (AKA he got a spanking).
Thats no way to convince a child that church is worthwhile. A lot of adults dont like speaking in public, either. Why should we expect children to be any different?
While many people responding to the video agreed that the boy deserves to be punished, plenty of others have chimed in with their support, like the person who said, I wish Id done that as a kid.
Ohiogal
(34,800 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,897 posts)In this crowd
marble falls
(62,184 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,897 posts)That they didnt create a new young atheist that day
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)It's the ongoing application of carrot and stick coupled with the bombardment of doctrine. Remember all the "atheist reeducation" camps Gil constantly reminds us about? That's exactly what they are doing and for a significant number of adults it's highly effective. With children it's far more effective. Predictably Gil has a problem with it when atheists do it, but completely dismisses the exact same behavior when far more theists do it to those who are even more vulnerable. Remember the "spare the rod" verse in the bible? It's about beating god into your kids and it happens every day all over the world to great effect.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)It will prepare him for the workforce.
Fullduplexxx
(8,270 posts)Igel
(36,118 posts)Church? Nope.
School? Well, maybe recess.
Otherwise there's a lot of kids who'd say, "I'm tired of this school."
Teachers are wise enough not to ask students questions we don't want answers to. Most of the time.
packman
(16,296 posts)A child will lead them
I hated being dragged to church every Sunday
Mariana
(15,131 posts)They punished him. In the future, if he doesn't behave exactly as they want him to behave in church, he'll be punished again, you can be sure of it.
edhopper
(34,880 posts)when you were young, try synagogue. Boring n a language you don't understand...and long, so long, especially on holidays.
Bretton Garcia
(970 posts)The belief that going through certain motions, rituals, just touching sacred objects, even without understanding them, can save you.
edhopper
(34,880 posts)you know the all wise being, could only understand our prayers in Hebrew.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,729 posts)Ohiogal
(34,800 posts)Catholic Mass was said entirely in Latin, and the priest said it with his back mostly to the congregation.
Talk about boring!
edhopper
(34,880 posts)rurallib
(63,207 posts)and type of mass - mostly 1/2 an hour.
edhopper
(34,880 posts)went on for hours. Loner on holidays.
rurallib
(63,207 posts)Only had one Jewish friend when I was a teen and by the time I knew him he had quit going to synagogue. Never asked him what his service was like.
edhopper
(34,880 posts)boring
rurallib
(63,207 posts)littlemissmartypants
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That church just taught a child how to hate and hurt others in the most expeditious way possible. Sickening.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Cartoonist
(7,534 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Try being a better person.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Even prior to my posting here.
Perhaps I was secretly directing others?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Be the change you want to see, gil.
Or was "eye for an eye" the take-home message you got from Jesus' teachings? Hmm?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Again, your history is quite clear.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Understood.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You awesome Christian, you. A perfect example of your faith.
Voltaire2
(14,724 posts)and justify it by invoking their gods.
No Vested Interest
(5,196 posts)If one says "Some religionists are willing.....etc.", the statement may have validity.
Overstatements defeat the purpose intended.
Voltaire2
(14,724 posts)is a weak argument. If I meant all I would have stated all. What i wrote was correct based on the evidence cited in the op.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Those who think that they are the exception are incorrect. Every society indoctrinates its members. But we call it socialization to avoid the word indoctrination.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Just sayin'
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)If you live in a society, you are indoctrinated from the time you become self aware. But we call it socialization. It is all about learning group behavior.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But we both know that not all socialization is a good thing.
What the Chinese Government is doing to the Uighurs is no netter or worse than what many theocracies have done to "others" in their own societies.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)I'm asking why you call it "indoctrination" when atheists do it to adults, but you take offense to using the same term when theists do it to those who are even more vulnerable. Some might call that intolerance.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But the term indoctrination is often intended as a pejorative. We can call it socialization to group norms, or we can call it indoctrination.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)But you insist on a kindler-gentler term when it comes to beating god into children.
Makes perfect sense now.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Well done.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Who outside of primary school could have ever seen that one coming?
Pro-tip: Unless banality is your objective, it helps to come up with your own material. Otherwise...
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And noticing that these gifs are your contribution to the dialogue.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)MineralMan
(147,606 posts)guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)MineralMan
(147,606 posts)MineralMan
(147,606 posts)What do you want it to prove? What did you think about it? What do you think it was intended to prove?
If you have no opinion about it, why post at all in reply? Please think before posting.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Almost a pattern at this point.
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)which went unanswered- a pattern of yours. If I ever actually insult you, you'll recognize that right away, I assure you.
The insult was yours, to the person to whom you replied.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)What do you want it to prove? What did you think about it? What do you think it was intended to prove?
If you have no opinion about it, why post at all in reply? Please think before posting.
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)It's good advice, too, and often given. Sadly, it's seldom taken. It's always wise to think before speaking of writing. Don't you agree?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And there are no implications.
Of course.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Because you just proved how utterly ridiculous your latest false accusation was.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)But it is quite harmonious.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)You know, kinda like your dehumanizing half-fast allegations of a "harmony" of people victimizing you.
Please try and keep up.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Not hard to see why. Never wants to discus anything in good faith, makes ridiculous false accusations, makes silly replies that you haven't seen since grammar school, and when you call him on his bullshit he plays the victim.
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)But I can understand the motivation to opt out. At some point the entertainment value reaches diminishing returns.
The Genealogist
(4,736 posts)What would you do if your child publicly announced in church his dislike of being there?
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)And ask him why.
The Genealogist
(4,736 posts)I'd have gotten slapped across the face.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Which to his credit goes against a longstanding Catholic tradition.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Kinda makes one go hmmmm.
elleng
(136,169 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)I bet he'll never forget it
Hav
(5,969 posts)Secondly, beating your kid for speaking his mind, especially when it didn't have the intention for harm (not that there's ever an excuse for it) is a horrible life lesson. Chances are, this kid might grow up thinking that violence and causing pain is a proper alternative to dialog.
It's sad how some are so easily willing to harm their own family in the name of religion and public image.
MineralMan
(147,606 posts)know what church is about: punishment.
Absolutely disgusting!
DFW
(56,580 posts)A six year old boy speaks his mind when forced to take the microphone, and then is given corporal punishment for doing so.
That doesn't seem to me to be the best way to indoctrinate children into your cult, but, then, that is one cult I would never permit to indoctrinate children in the first place.
My mother-in-law, a kindly soul despite being a practicing Catholic, once took our two daughters (then aged 4 and 6) with her to mass without my knowledge. I was rather upset, and my wife, who had been dragged there as a child, wondered why? I said that 4 and 6 year old children are not old enough to discern for themselves whether or not to believe that some guy was killed, put in a cave sealed with a ten ton boulder, became alive again, tossed aside the boulder, told his dad "beam me up Scotty," and then rose into the sky when his invisible dad accommodated his wish. My wife said, well, sure, when you put it in those terms, it does sound ridiculous. I said, that was my point exactly. Mom-in-law can drag the girls to church when they are old enough to decide for themselves whether or not they wish to go, and whether or not what they hear sounds plausible. I don't blame a 91 year old woman for her beliefs. I blame her long-gone parents for forcing theirs onto her. Our girls are now, at 34 and 36, way past old enough to decide for themselves what they want to believe. So far, their choice is "none of the above," which they arrived at of their own free will. I suspect this six year old boy will arrive at the same conclusion--either that, or he will be beaten into submission, and pass the behavior on, which would one perverse outcome (but, I suspect, a common one).
catbyte
(35,787 posts)and folks wonder why I'm an atheist. Even at the age of eight I realized that something was seriously amiss in a place that discouraged questions and demanded blind faith. Nope, not for me.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I do believe we are looking at a future atheist, if he's not one already.