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NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:11 AM Jan 2019

This Six-Year-Old Boy Told a Church Audience, "I'm Tired of This Church"

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019/01/03/this-six-year-old-boy-told-a-church-audience-im-tired-of-this-church/




This Six-Year-Old Boy Told a Church Audience, “I’m Tired of This Church”
By Sarahbeth Caplin, January 3, 2019

6-year-old Naszir Ferrell was dragged to church on Christmas, something he clearly didn’t want to do.

Then his grandmother put a microphone in his hand and asked him to say a few words, something else he clearly didn’t want to do.

So he took the mic and said exactly what was on his mind: “I’m tired of this church.”

The eight-second clip has since gone viral, but his father and pastor didn’t quite have a sense of humor about it:

During an interview on Facebook Live the day after, Naszir said… the pastor took him in the bathroom and told him, “don’t do that again.”

During the Facebook interview, Dominique Ferrell, the child’s father, added “I fired on him.” (AKA — he got a spanking).


That’s… no way to convince a child that church is worthwhile. A lot of adults don’t like speaking in public, either. Why should we expect children to be any different?

While many people responding to the video agreed that the boy “deserves to be punished,” plenty of others have chimed in with their support, like the person who said, “I wish I’d done that as a kid.”
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This Six-Year-Old Boy Told a Church Audience, "I'm Tired of This Church" (Original Post) NeoGreen Jan 2019 OP
At least he was honest! Ohiogal Jan 2019 #1
Apparently that is not a respected value Sucha NastyWoman Jan 2019 #6
Why churches aren't drawing the young. marble falls Jan 2019 #2
I can't imagine Sucha NastyWoman Jan 2019 #7
Well, I'm certain that punishing him will make him like church more. trotsky Jan 2019 #3
That's exactly how indoctrination works Major Nikon Jan 2019 #8
The beatings will continue until morale improves Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #11
He's 6 and there,s no xbox Fullduplexxx Jan 2019 #4
I've known very few kids who enjoy being taught anything. Igel Jan 2019 #12
Bravo - It says it in the Bible packman Jan 2019 #5
Except they didn't follow his lead. Mariana Jan 2019 #10
As bad as some of you think Church was edhopper Jan 2019 #9
I think it's called sacramentalism Bretton Garcia Jan 2019 #20
I thought it was God edhopper Jan 2019 #22
And if you were Catholic, God only heard prayers said in Latin. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #52
When I was young (I'm showing my age, here) Ohiogal Jan 2019 #34
How long were services? edhopper Jan 2019 #36
between 20 minutes and an hour depending on what day of the week rurallib Jan 2019 #56
synagogue edhopper Jan 2019 #58
We used to hear stories of Eastern rite Catholics going for hours on end. rurallib Jan 2019 #59
seriously edhopper Jan 2019 #60
but the vestments were so colorful! rurallib Jan 2019 #57
Childism. littlemissmartypants Jan 2019 #13
And this proves what exactly? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #14
kids are smarter than you Cartoonist Jan 2019 #15
Dialogue in action. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #16
You receive exactly the level of dialog you have encouraged. trotsky Jan 2019 #65
Your posting history here is available to see. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #67
Yes, thank you for the reminder that you obsessively stalk everyone's posting history. trotsky Jan 2019 #68
More ad hominem. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #69
Whatever narrative makes you happy, I guess. n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #70
Is that your motto? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #71
You have convinced yourself. trotsky Jan 2019 #72
Religionists are willing to beat their children into submission Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #17
Generalizations make statements less accurate, thus less powerful. No Vested Interest Jan 2019 #18
Assuming "all" when not present Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #19
How indoctrination works Major Nikon Jan 2019 #21
We are all indoctrinated. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #23
Sounds like something someone who's been indoctrinated would say Major Nikon Jan 2019 #24
And your response sounds like: guillaumeb Jan 2019 #25
So why don't you call it socialization when atheists do it? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #26
It is socialization when anyone does it. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #28
You didn't answer the question Major Nikon Jan 2019 #30
I make no distinction between what is done. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #37
So it's OK to use a pejorative for beating the god out of adults... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #39
The gif perfectly describes your response. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #40
Oh look, a clever rework of the completely worn out, "I'm rubber, you're glue" line! Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41
No, a comment on the substance. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #42
Sure, because your predictable canned replies adds so much to the conversation Major Nikon Jan 2019 #43
Thus spake guillaumeb. MineralMan Jan 2019 #31
Simply noting what is obvious. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #38
See #39 MineralMan Jan 2019 #44
It's a story about something that happened. MineralMan Jan 2019 #45
Yet another insult from you. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #46
No insult. Questions, MineralMan Jan 2019 #47
No insult? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #48
That is advice, not an insult. MineralMan Jan 2019 #49
Of course. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #50
You should have thought about that harder Major Nikon Jan 2019 #62
And your reply proves your interest in dialogue. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #66
The dialogue is you making half-fast accusations you can't begin to support Major Nikon Jan 2019 #73
That's why several here have him on ignore Major Nikon Jan 2019 #61
I ignore nobody. I'd rather point out their errors. MineralMan Jan 2019 #74
I agree, up to a point Major Nikon Jan 2019 #75
Apparently that some think it is fine to "fire on" a kid because he doesn't like being in church The Genealogist Jan 2019 #53
Take him outside. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #54
Certainly better than beating him or her The Genealogist Jan 2019 #55
Pope Frank says it's "beautiful" as long as you don't hit kids in the face Major Nikon Jan 2019 #64
And yet you insist on kindler-gentler language used to describe beating god into children Major Nikon Jan 2019 #63
Obviously parenting lessons needed. elleng Jan 2019 #27
So Those 2 Adults Completely Ruined Christmas For The Boy Me. Jan 2019 #29
First, I wouldn't want any pastor taking my kid to the bathroom. Hav Jan 2019 #32
Completely mishandled,but now the boy MineralMan Jan 2019 #33
What a lame argument for their religion DFW Jan 2019 #35
I was booted out of Sunday School when I was 8 for "asking too many questions" catbyte Jan 2019 #51
Ah, so they hit him. Brilliant. JNelson6563 Jan 2019 #76

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
8. That's exactly how indoctrination works
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:31 AM
Jan 2019

It's the ongoing application of carrot and stick coupled with the bombardment of doctrine. Remember all the "atheist reeducation" camps Gil constantly reminds us about? That's exactly what they are doing and for a significant number of adults it's highly effective. With children it's far more effective. Predictably Gil has a problem with it when atheists do it, but completely dismisses the exact same behavior when far more theists do it to those who are even more vulnerable. Remember the "spare the rod" verse in the bible? It's about beating god into your kids and it happens every day all over the world to great effect.

Igel

(36,118 posts)
12. I've known very few kids who enjoy being taught anything.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jan 2019

Church? Nope.

School? Well, maybe recess.

Otherwise there's a lot of kids who'd say, "I'm tired of this school."

Teachers are wise enough not to ask students questions we don't want answers to. Most of the time.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
5. Bravo - It says it in the Bible
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:56 AM
Jan 2019

A child will lead them

I hated being dragged to church every Sunday

Mariana

(15,131 posts)
10. Except they didn't follow his lead.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:45 AM
Jan 2019

They punished him. In the future, if he doesn't behave exactly as they want him to behave in church, he'll be punished again, you can be sure of it.

edhopper

(34,880 posts)
9. As bad as some of you think Church was
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:42 AM
Jan 2019

when you were young, try synagogue. Boring n a language you don't understand...and long, so long, especially on holidays.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
20. I think it's called sacramentalism
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 06:10 PM
Jan 2019

The belief that going through certain motions, rituals, just touching sacred objects, even without understanding them, can save you.

Ohiogal

(34,800 posts)
34. When I was young (I'm showing my age, here)
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jan 2019

Catholic Mass was said entirely in Latin, and the priest said it with his back mostly to the congregation.

Talk about boring!

rurallib

(63,207 posts)
56. between 20 minutes and an hour depending on what day of the week
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 08:20 PM
Jan 2019

and type of mass - mostly 1/2 an hour.

rurallib

(63,207 posts)
59. We used to hear stories of Eastern rite Catholics going for hours on end.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 08:43 PM
Jan 2019

Only had one Jewish friend when I was a teen and by the time I knew him he had quit going to synagogue. Never asked him what his service was like.

littlemissmartypants

(25,541 posts)
13. Childism.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 05:35 PM
Jan 2019

A seminal volume on prejudice against children for parents, teachers, psychologists, social workers, policy-makers—anyone concerned with the crucial subject of child welfare.

In this groundbreaking volume on the human rights of children, acclaimed analyst, political theorist, and biographer Elisabeth Young-Bruehl argues that prejudice exists against children as a group and that it is comparable to racism, sexism, and homophobia. This prejudice—“childism”—legitimates and rationalizes a broad continuum of acts that are not “in the best interests of children,” including the often violent extreme of child abuse and neglect. According to Young-Bruehl, reform is possible only if we acknowledge this prejudice in its basic forms and address the motives and cultural forces that drive it, rather than dwell on the various categories of abuse and punishment.

“There will always be individuals and societies that turn on their children," writes Young-Bruehl, “breaking the natural order Aristotle described two and a half millennia ago in his Nichomachean Ethics." In Childism, Young-Bruehl focuses especially on the ways in which Americans have departed from the child-supportive trends of the Great Society and of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Many years in the making, Childism draws upon a wide range of sources, from the literary and philosophical to the legal and psychoanalytic. Woven into this extraordinary volume are case studies that illuminate the profound importance of listening to the victims who have so much to tell us about the visible and invisible ways in which childism is expressed.

Elisabeth Young-Bruehl (1946-2011) was a psychoanalyst and the award-winning author of Hannah Arendt: For Love of the World, Anna Freud: A Biography, and Why Arendt Matters.

https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300192407/childism





That church just taught a child how to hate and hurt others in the most expeditious way possible. Sickening.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
67. Your posting history here is available to see.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 01:50 PM
Jan 2019

Even prior to my posting here.

Perhaps I was secretly directing others?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
68. Yes, thank you for the reminder that you obsessively stalk everyone's posting history.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jan 2019

Be the change you want to see, gil.

Or was "eye for an eye" the take-home message you got from Jesus' teachings? Hmm?

Voltaire2

(14,724 posts)
17. Religionists are willing to beat their children into submission
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 05:09 AM
Jan 2019

and justify it by invoking their gods.

No Vested Interest

(5,196 posts)
18. Generalizations make statements less accurate, thus less powerful.
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jan 2019

If one says "Some religionists are willing.....etc.", the statement may have validity.

Overstatements defeat the purpose intended.

Voltaire2

(14,724 posts)
19. Assuming "all" when not present
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 03:06 PM
Jan 2019

is a weak argument. If I meant all I would have stated all. What i wrote was correct based on the evidence cited in the op.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
23. We are all indoctrinated.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:23 AM
Jan 2019

Those who think that they are the exception are incorrect. Every society indoctrinates its members. But we call it socialization to avoid the word indoctrination.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
25. And your response sounds like:
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:40 AM
Jan 2019

Those who think that they are the exception are incorrect.


If you live in a society, you are indoctrinated from the time you become self aware. But we call it socialization. It is all about learning group behavior.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
28. It is socialization when anyone does it.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:49 AM
Jan 2019

But we both know that not all socialization is a good thing.

What the Chinese Government is doing to the Uighurs is no netter or worse than what many theocracies have done to "others" in their own societies.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
30. You didn't answer the question
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:03 PM
Jan 2019

I'm asking why you call it "indoctrination" when atheists do it to adults, but you take offense to using the same term when theists do it to those who are even more vulnerable. Some might call that intolerance.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
37. I make no distinction between what is done.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:02 AM
Jan 2019

But the term indoctrination is often intended as a pejorative. We can call it socialization to group norms, or we can call it indoctrination.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
39. So it's OK to use a pejorative for beating the god out of adults...
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:16 AM
Jan 2019

But you insist on a kindler-gentler term when it comes to beating god into children.

Makes perfect sense now.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
41. Oh look, a clever rework of the completely worn out, "I'm rubber, you're glue" line!
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:23 AM
Jan 2019

Who outside of primary school could have ever seen that one coming?

Pro-tip: Unless banality is your objective, it helps to come up with your own material. Otherwise...

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
45. It's a story about something that happened.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 02:17 PM
Jan 2019

What do you want it to prove? What did you think about it? What do you think it was intended to prove?

If you have no opinion about it, why post at all in reply? Please think before posting.

MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
47. No insult. Questions,
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 05:12 PM
Jan 2019

which went unanswered- a pattern of yours. If I ever actually insult you, you'll recognize that right away, I assure you.

The insult was yours, to the person to whom you replied.

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
48. No insult?
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jan 2019

45. It's a story about something that happened.

What do you want it to prove? What did you think about it? What do you think it was intended to prove?

If you have no opinion about it, why post at all in reply? Please think before posting.


MineralMan

(147,606 posts)
49. That is advice, not an insult.
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jan 2019

It's good advice, too, and often given. Sadly, it's seldom taken. It's always wise to think before speaking of writing. Don't you agree?

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
62. You should have thought about that harder
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:46 PM
Jan 2019

Because you just proved how utterly ridiculous your latest false accusation was.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
73. The dialogue is you making half-fast accusations you can't begin to support
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 02:09 PM
Jan 2019

You know, kinda like your dehumanizing half-fast allegations of a "harmony" of people victimizing you.

Please try and keep up.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
61. That's why several here have him on ignore
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:43 PM
Jan 2019

Not hard to see why. Never wants to discus anything in good faith, makes ridiculous false accusations, makes silly replies that you haven't seen since grammar school, and when you call him on his bullshit he plays the victim.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
75. I agree, up to a point
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jan 2019

But I can understand the motivation to opt out. At some point the entertainment value reaches diminishing returns.

The Genealogist

(4,736 posts)
53. Apparently that some think it is fine to "fire on" a kid because he doesn't like being in church
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 07:31 PM
Jan 2019

What would you do if your child publicly announced in church his dislike of being there?

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
64. Pope Frank says it's "beautiful" as long as you don't hit kids in the face
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 12:13 AM
Jan 2019

Which to his credit goes against a longstanding Catholic tradition.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
63. And yet you insist on kindler-gentler language used to describe beating god into children
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 11:53 PM
Jan 2019

Kinda makes one go hmmmm.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
32. First, I wouldn't want any pastor taking my kid to the bathroom.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:23 PM
Jan 2019

Secondly, beating your kid for speaking his mind, especially when it didn't have the intention for harm (not that there's ever an excuse for it) is a horrible life lesson. Chances are, this kid might grow up thinking that violence and causing pain is a proper alternative to dialog.
It's sad how some are so easily willing to harm their own family in the name of religion and public image.

DFW

(56,580 posts)
35. What a lame argument for their religion
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:54 PM
Jan 2019

A six year old boy speaks his mind when forced to take the microphone, and then is given corporal punishment for doing so.

That doesn't seem to me to be the best way to indoctrinate children into your cult, but, then, that is one cult I would never permit to indoctrinate children in the first place.

My mother-in-law, a kindly soul despite being a practicing Catholic, once took our two daughters (then aged 4 and 6) with her to mass without my knowledge. I was rather upset, and my wife, who had been dragged there as a child, wondered why? I said that 4 and 6 year old children are not old enough to discern for themselves whether or not to believe that some guy was killed, put in a cave sealed with a ten ton boulder, became alive again, tossed aside the boulder, told his dad "beam me up Scotty," and then rose into the sky when his invisible dad accommodated his wish. My wife said, well, sure, when you put it in those terms, it does sound ridiculous. I said, that was my point exactly. Mom-in-law can drag the girls to church when they are old enough to decide for themselves whether or not they wish to go, and whether or not what they hear sounds plausible. I don't blame a 91 year old woman for her beliefs. I blame her long-gone parents for forcing theirs onto her. Our girls are now, at 34 and 36, way past old enough to decide for themselves what they want to believe. So far, their choice is "none of the above," which they arrived at of their own free will. I suspect this six year old boy will arrive at the same conclusion--either that, or he will be beaten into submission, and pass the behavior on, which would one perverse outcome (but, I suspect, a common one).

catbyte

(35,787 posts)
51. I was booted out of Sunday School when I was 8 for "asking too many questions"
Mon Jan 7, 2019, 06:45 PM
Jan 2019

and folks wonder why I'm an atheist. Even at the age of eight I realized that something was seriously amiss in a place that discouraged questions and demanded blind faith. Nope, not for me.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
76. Ah, so they hit him. Brilliant.
Tue Jan 8, 2019, 05:40 PM
Jan 2019

I do believe we are looking at a future atheist, if he's not one already.

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