Women strive for larger roles in male-dominated religions

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

Women have been elected heads of national governments on six continents. They have flown into space, served in elite combat units and won every category of Nobel Prize. The global #MeToo movement, in 15 months, has toppled a multitude of powerful men linked to sexual misconduct.
Yet in most of the world’s major religions, women remain relegated to a second-tier status. Women in several faiths are still barred from ordination. Some are banned from praying alongside men and forbidden from stepping foot in some houses of worship altogether. Their attire, from headwear down to the length of their skirts in church, is often restricted.

To read more:

https://religionnews.com/2019/01/15/women-strive-for-larger-roles-in-male-dominated-religions/

[LongtimeAZDem]

1. Their own fault if they believe nonsense like this:

1 Corinthians 14:

34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

[guillaumeb]

2. I disagree.

It is the fault of those men who would dominate women.

[Mariana]

3. Lots of those men believe they are obeying God.

Not all of them, of course, but plenty of them are sincere in their belief that God wants them to dominate women.

[guillaumeb]

4. Some do believe that.

And some of the new atheists are every bit as misogynistic.

[Mariana]

6. You're hijacking your own threads now?

[marylandblue]

9. Believing God wants you to dominate your wife adds an extra layer of force

If you think you have a God-given right to something, you do it with a clear conscience no matter who gets hurt. A woman with a God-given duty to submit is also less likely to stand up for herself. And your church community will say you both are doing the right thing.

But atheist misogynists are on their own. No God to salve their conscience or to provide the "I'm just following orders," excuse.

[guillaumeb]

14. No matter who the misogynist,

no matter the reasoning behind it, women still suffer.

[Act_of_Reparation]

13. I wonder what informed their notions of gender roles.

Oh.

Right.

[LongtimeAZDem]

5. Yep; and that's is why many of us laugh when people ask "what's the harm in believing?" /nt

[trotsky]

11. Those men have holy scripture to support their views.

You help enable them by supporting the idea that the bible contains information from a god.

But since none of your can agree WHICH parts are god's, we have this mess where everyone picks and chooses and they're all equally justified because your god refuses to get involved. Or doesn't exist.

[customerserviceguy]

7. I'm curious

Please name a religion that is not male dominated.

[marylandblue]

8. Do liberal Christian and Jewish sects count as separate religions?

Some are pretty egalitarian and they don't have all that much in common with more conservative sects.

[customerserviceguy]

10. I have no familiarity

with liberal Jewish sects, and I guess that's also the case with liberal Christian sects, but perhaps there are a few that are not as bad as the Catholicism that I grew up with and later rejected.

[guillaumeb]

15. The goddess centered religions. eom

[MineralMan]

12. The largest denomination of Christianity on this planet

is one of the worst offenders in this regard. The patriarchal hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has led the way in reducing women to minor roles, both within the church and outside of it. Its constant battle against women controlling their own reproductive choices is a model of suppression of women. And it is all done in the name of religion.

Of course, there are no women in leadership positions in the RCC, either. They are relegated to servile occupations within the church.

And all of that is supported by scripture, according to the RCC itself.

So, what do you propose be done about this travesty, guillaumeb?