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left-of-center2012

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There was a documentary type movie about this, long about 40 years ago. 3Hotdogs Aug 2019 #1
Toupee. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #14
I'll go with toop. murielm99 Aug 2019 #17
Its hard not to laugh sometimes. Guy I worked with had a toop. But it was old and worn. 3Hotdogs Aug 2019 #29
Then Noah and his family has incestual orgies so wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #2
And a lot of rape too. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #15
What strikes me is the misogyny in this bitterross Aug 2019 #3
But her emus! Croney Aug 2019 #4
Ha ha ha voteearlyvoteoften Aug 2019 #6
Abrahamic religions traditionally view women as the root of all evil Major Nikon Aug 2019 #21
There is a flood story in a ton of ancient literature including in Chinese. That ark might exist Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #5
Er no it doesn't exist. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #16
Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #18
You can say the same about Russell's teapot Major Nikon Aug 2019 #19
Agreed. Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #39
Checkmate, atheists... Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #51
The op was supposedly about evidence Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #22
You need more evidence than two dents in the ground? Open your mind! Iggo Aug 2019 #24
I know one of the guys who headed one ark expedition Bretton Garcia Aug 2019 #25
"Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #40
Yes, uriel1972 Aug 2019 #42
I've detached myself from the theory. I submit the theory is hogwash. Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #43
We found the ark! Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #45
Pretty sure this warrants an immediate invasion of um.. well.. Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #48
Tell me again how the Ark got Penguins? CanonRay Aug 2019 #7
"The world" had a different meaning then jmowreader Aug 2019 #12
The Bible is not proof of anything. It is a magical book where stories of big boats full of wasupaloopa Aug 2019 #52
What a dilemma! Cartoonist Aug 2019 #8
I'm flummoxed! Iggo Aug 2019 #9
Reply #1 gives an answer. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #23
It's all metaphor which really means they took a bath Major Nikon Aug 2019 #33
Maybe they'll find the unicorn bones there SCantiGOP Aug 2019 #10
I'm remembering a song by the Chieftains Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2019 #28
Hah! SCantiGOP Aug 2019 #30
You must be as old as me !! Haggis for Breakfast Aug 2019 #36
No dinosaurs on the Ark? Why do you spread such heathen falsehoods? brooklynite Aug 2019 #54
They must've found "the ark" half a dozen times in my lifetime. eShirl Aug 2019 #11
they keep losing it again? uriel1972 Aug 2019 #38
Do you honestly believe this nonsense? Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #13
Nope shadowmayor Aug 2019 #20
Complete bullshit (n/t) PJMcK Aug 2019 #26
If the Flood happened, then that would mean that... Girard442 Aug 2019 #27
I consider Jesus SCantiGOP Aug 2019 #31
Jesus said some pretty smitey things... uriel1972 Aug 2019 #32
And slavery shadowmayor Aug 2019 #34
At which point the faithists cry "metaphor". Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #35
metaphor for what though... uriel1972 Aug 2019 #37
I've asked that and there is no answer. Voltaire2 Aug 2019 #44
And when asked where all the water went.. Permanut Aug 2019 #41
I think the flat-earthers have an answer for that. The water just spilled over the sides. alwaysinasnit Aug 2019 #57
"Evidence" Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #46
Geez, I've been told right here in this very group by quite insistent Christians... trotsky Aug 2019 #47
Water Cartoonist Aug 2019 #49
But when the water covered the earth, was it salty or fresh? trotsky Aug 2019 #50
All water was once fresh Cartoonist Aug 2019 #55
Hah! SCantiGOP Aug 2019 #56
Praise be unto the Lord! trotsky Aug 2019 #59
Why did 8 survivors build 1,000 dwellings? brooklynite Aug 2019 #53
Video games hadn't been invented yet. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2019 #58
The author is a particularly despicable right wing crank muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #60
How neat is that! trotsky Aug 2019 #61
I'm sure we all have flaws left-of-center2012 Aug 2019 #62

3Hotdogs

(13,394 posts)
1. There was a documentary type movie about this, long about 40 years ago.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:40 AM
Aug 2019

The guy narrating it, had a toop that kept bobbing up and down on his head, as he talked. I got more out of watching the toop than about the debris on the side of the mountain.

When I begin to lose my hair, I know what kind of toop not to buy.

Voltaire2

(14,714 posts)
14. Toupee.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 12:53 PM
Aug 2019

murielm99

(31,436 posts)
17. I'll go with toop.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:22 PM
Aug 2019

It is funny.

I had a doctor who had a toop. I did not listen to a word he said, because I kept looking at his bad toop and trying not to laugh.

3Hotdogs

(13,394 posts)
29. Its hard not to laugh sometimes. Guy I worked with had a toop. But it was old and worn.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 07:49 PM
Aug 2019

And the front of it had a line of gauze where there used to be vinyl, polyester or whatever they make fake hair out of. I looked at this for several years.

One day, he shows up bald on top and trim on the sides. Said his wife told him to throw the damn thing out. Quite an improvement.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
2. Then Noah and his family has incestual orgies so
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:50 AM
Aug 2019

they could repopulate the world.

Voltaire2

(14,714 posts)
15. And a lot of rape too.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 12:55 PM
Aug 2019

Ask that idiot Steve King.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
3. What strikes me is the misogyny in this
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:53 AM
Aug 2019

Check the section about "Tracing The Goddess." They have to blame a woman, again, for taking up the ways of the serpent. The ways of enlightenment.

Tracing the Goddess

David Deal’s discovery relates directly to the depiction of a key, but relatively unrecognized Genesis woman in ancient art. In the early post-Flood world, the ancients revered Naamah, the last woman mentioned in the line of Cain (Genesis 4:22), who came through the Flood as Ham’s wife, and who then instigated the abandonment of God and the return to the serpent’s “enlightenment,” and the exaltation of man as the measure of all things.


This information is new to me. I didn't know that men had picked out another woman scapegoat for all the ill in the world other than Eve.

Croney

(4,923 posts)
4. But her emus!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:04 AM
Aug 2019

voteearlyvoteoften

(1,716 posts)
6. Ha ha ha
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:16 AM
Aug 2019

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
21. Abrahamic religions traditionally view women as the root of all evil
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:14 PM
Aug 2019

The only difference today is the extent to which this dogma is implemented, although it isn’t hard to find the common threads of forced modesty and muzzling of voices.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
5. There is a flood story in a ton of ancient literature including in Chinese. That ark might exist
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:11 AM
Aug 2019

But it also might not be Noah's.

Voltaire2

(14,714 posts)
16. Er no it doesn't exist.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 12:55 PM
Aug 2019

Zero actual evidence.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
18. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:55 PM
Aug 2019

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
19. You can say the same about Russell's teapot
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:07 PM
Aug 2019
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
39. Agreed.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:01 PM
Aug 2019

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
51. Checkmate, atheists...
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 02:36 PM
Aug 2019

Voltaire2

(14,714 posts)
22. The op was supposedly about evidence
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:57 PM
Aug 2019

That Noah’s impossibility existed.

Only no actual evidence.

So, no.

Iggo

(48,265 posts)
24. You need more evidence than two dents in the ground? Open your mind!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:11 PM
Aug 2019

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
25. I know one of the guys who headed one ark expedition
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:16 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Following his (itself problematic) work, recently, the Chinese were showing wood constructions in the ice, claiming they were the ark.

My guess is that 1) they found the wood constructions were old houses. And 2) then developed the apologetic theory that the houses had surely, however, been made from parts of the old ark.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
40. "Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:03 PM
Aug 2019

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
42. Yes,
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:54 AM
Aug 2019

but the absence of evidence where evidence should be, according to the theory means that the theory needs re-working.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
43. I've detached myself from the theory. I submit the theory is hogwash.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 01:09 AM
Aug 2019

Last edited Mon Aug 26, 2019, 01:46 AM - Edit history (1)

Nonetheless, there may or may not have been a large flood in the past and a large boat. Or something.

Honestly could care less either way.

Voltaire2

(14,714 posts)
45. We found the ark!
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 07:02 AM
Aug 2019

Er no that is not evidence of the ark.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Ok you win the internets.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
48. Pretty sure this warrants an immediate invasion of um.. well..
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 11:46 AM
Aug 2019

Whatever the random place is that it is claimed the ark supposedly exists at.

CanonRay

(14,861 posts)
7. Tell me again how the Ark got Penguins?
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:24 AM
Aug 2019

jmowreader

(51,448 posts)
12. "The world" had a different meaning then
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 12:34 PM
Aug 2019

The current Holy Lands, Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula were all those people knew about.

Read Leviticus 11 and it’ll tell you every animal there was in the world of the Bible.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
52. The Bible is not proof of anything. It is a magical book where stories of big boats full of
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 03:03 PM
Aug 2019

a imals who would under any other circumstance kill each other. So they decided to get along and just not eat until some future date when enough food was present to eat again without starving to death.

Cartoonist

(7,531 posts)
8. What a dilemma!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:52 AM
Aug 2019

Real or Metaphor? Who should I believe?

Iggo

(48,265 posts)
9. I'm flummoxed!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 11:55 AM
Aug 2019

:thinking:

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
23. Reply #1 gives an answer.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 03:20 PM
Aug 2019

But literalists, theists and non-theists, will insist on a strictly literal interpretation.

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
33. It's all metaphor which really means they took a bath
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 08:35 PM
Aug 2019

Never mind the bible goes to great lengths to describe the arc and pretty much the whole story is a cut-and-paste from earlier Mesopotamian flood story (which was also taken literally) because all that shit is metaphorical too.

Yep, anytime the bible flies in the face of reality it’s metaphor to the rescue. So when it comes to talking snakes, talking bushes, talking donkeys, floods, creating the universe inside a week, Samson’s magic hair, people turning into salt, zombies, hocus pocus people into existence, and exodus, you guessed it, all metaphor.

Ah but what about the biggest whopper of them all, you say? Nope, not metaphor I’m afraid. Jesus still gets to watch you masturbate.

No, really. I mean really no shit. That’s how it works.

SCantiGOP

(14,239 posts)
10. Maybe they'll find the unicorn bones there
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 12:00 PM
Aug 2019

They must have tripped and been killed coming down the off ramp.

And don’t forget all the dinosaurs drowned during the flood because Noah for some reason didn’t include them like he was told to.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
28. I'm remembering a song by the Chieftains
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:53 PM
Aug 2019

" . . . some cats, some rats, some elephants, but Lord I'm so forlorned, i just canna find no unicorns . . . "

SCantiGOP

(14,239 posts)
30. Hah!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 08:12 PM
Aug 2019

And “...humpty-backed camels and the chimpanzees....but sure as I’m born, you’re never going to find no unicorn.”

How the hell do I remember that yet sometimes can’t find my glasses when they’re sitting on my face?

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
36. You must be as old as me !!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 09:25 PM
Aug 2019

And don't worry, I do the same thing with MY glasses, except they are parked on top of my head !

I also put pens behind my ears, then wander around looking for where I put down my pen.

Or read an entire paragraph in a book, then realize I have no idea what I just read.

And don't get me started on my cell phone, my car keys or the dog.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
54. No dinosaurs on the Ark? Why do you spread such heathen falsehoods?
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 03:43 PM
Aug 2019

eShirl

(18,792 posts)
11. They must've found "the ark" half a dozen times in my lifetime.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 12:25 PM
Aug 2019

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
38. they keep losing it again?
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:34 PM
Aug 2019

careless

Voltaire2

(14,714 posts)
13. Do you honestly believe this nonsense?
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 12:52 PM
Aug 2019

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
20. Nope
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:12 PM
Aug 2019

PJMcK

(22,886 posts)
26. Complete bullshit (n/t)
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:23 PM
Aug 2019

Girard442

(6,401 posts)
27. If the Flood happened, then that would mean that...
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:26 PM
Aug 2019

...God murdered nearly all of the then extant human and animal population. He did this because of rampant wickedness, which apparently infected not just the adult humans, but the human toddlers, infants, and fetuses. The animals too. He didn't just painlessly *piff* them into nonexistence. Oh, no. He had to subject them to abject terror and a slow agonizing end and He had to have Noah and his family as witnesses to the slaughter.

And people wonder why the Evangelicals like Trump.

SCantiGOP

(14,239 posts)
31. I consider Jesus
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 08:17 PM
Aug 2019

as a prototype of the pacifistic, non-violent revolutionary, the ultimate Community Organizer.
That Old Testament god? An insane, narcissistic sociopath.
Love your neighbor vs Who should I smite today?

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
32. Jesus said some pretty smitey things...
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 08:31 PM
Aug 2019

And don't forget the poor fig tree.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
34. And slavery
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 08:41 PM
Aug 2019

Voltaire2

(14,714 posts)
35. At which point the faithists cry "metaphor".
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 08:58 PM
Aug 2019

Only that is difficult when the op is about the ‘evidence’ for a physical ark.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
37. metaphor for what though...
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 10:33 PM
Aug 2019

all those innocent beings dead and for what, the crimes (allegedly) of a few.
What then is it a metaphor for?

Voltaire2

(14,714 posts)
44. I've asked that and there is no answer.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 06:59 AM
Aug 2019

Permanut

(6,638 posts)
41. And when asked where all the water went..
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:04 AM
Aug 2019

the fundies say "away".

Musta been after that when the kangaroos made their way to Australia. It's a timing thing.

alwaysinasnit

(5,253 posts)
57. I think the flat-earthers have an answer for that. The water just spilled over the sides.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 04:46 PM
Aug 2019

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
46. "Evidence"
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 07:14 AM
Aug 2019

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
47. Geez, I've been told right here in this very group by quite insistent Christians...
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 07:50 AM
Aug 2019

that no "real" Christians actually believe the myths from Genesis.

Guess they were wrong!

P.S. Where did all the water go?

Cartoonist

(7,531 posts)
49. Water
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 01:46 PM
Aug 2019

They let the dinosaurs out first because they drank even more than the elephants.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
50. But when the water covered the earth, was it salty or fresh?
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 01:56 PM
Aug 2019

How did the freshwater fish survive? Did Noah have an aquarium on the ark?

Cartoonist

(7,531 posts)
55. All water was once fresh
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 03:53 PM
Aug 2019

God added the salt later. He used Lot's wife.

SCantiGOP

(14,239 posts)
56. Hah!
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 04:01 PM
Aug 2019

That’s a lot of salty wife.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
59. Praise be unto the Lord!
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:38 AM
Aug 2019

The bible explains all.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
53. Why did 8 survivors build 1,000 dwellings?
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 03:38 PM
Aug 2019

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
58. Video games hadn't been invented yet.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:21 AM
Aug 2019

muriel_volestrangler

(102,480 posts)
60. The author is a particularly despicable right wing crank
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:36 AM
Aug 2019

Also by him:

Outing the Moronocracy: Ending the Rule of the Blind, the Stupid, and the Disgraceful in Amer. Soc. Kindle Edition
(pub. 2012)

"The thirst for truth can never be quenched by the empty and seductive words of Plato, Socrates, Charles Darwin, Karl Marx, Friedrich Nietzsche, Joseph Campbell, or any of their deluded, fawning disciples. And yet, the decadent theories of these very men dominate the minds of today’s ruling Cainite Moronocracy. Obama, Oprah, Academia, Apostate Christendom, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Malleable Marxist Media foist upon us their atheism, idolatry, sanctified sodomy, chance human reptile descent, and, in place of our history, their concocted mythology—all deftly mingled and neatly packaged within a coercive statist regime dressed up as the promise of a future manmade paradise. A single chapter from the Book of Proverbs or Psalms puts all their disgraceful and unfruitful philosophies to shame. "

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0096XJ7IS/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
61. How neat is that!
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 02:17 PM
Aug 2019

Oh well, he confirms my favorite bible myth so he must be alright!

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
62. I'm sure we all have flaws
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 03:38 PM
Aug 2019
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