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Related: About this forumState and city vs. churches: Don't drink the 'religious freedom' Kool-Aid -- it's deadly
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Imagine that you awake one morning, get online and click on your favorite news site. You are greeted by this grisly headline: Police Seek Death Cult Leaders After Ritual Human Sacrifice. You read on to discover that these cultists have been rounding up victims to offer up as sacrifices to their God, killing them in indescribable ceremonies (drinking not just proverbial Kool-Aid, but the literal kind) and leaving their corpses on open-air altars. A couple of days later, you are relieved to see that the leaders of the sect have been arrested and charged with murder, only to discover that they are claiming that the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment protects their actions, because the government may not interfere with or punish religious conduct.
Your reaction, I hope, would be that their religious freedom claim is preposterous. One person or groups freedom of religion does not permit them to do harm to others, or to be exempt from the application of the societal ban on murder. You would expect that the courts would promptly reject the claim and try the murderers for their crimes.
And yet, this is precisely the claim that too many religious leaders have been making in recent days that their right to free exercise gives them the right to kill their fellow citizens. Not, of course, in a human sacrifice straight out of a horror movie. But by holding services during a pandemic, despite knowing to a point of absolute certainty that people will die as a result. We must treat their argument exactly the same way we would react to the cult: with a firm, Hell no, and criminal sanctions.
Mass gatherings (religious and otherwise) spread COVID-19. There is massive evidence of this fact and no proof to the contrary. The dozens of cases and numerous deaths that resulted from a single church revival meeting in Dawson Springs, Kentucky. in mid-March is sobering, ample proof of what results when churches insist on conducting business as usual. And it is not just members of the church or those who voluntarily choose to attend who are put at risk. It is everyone they then come in contact with and it is those people whose lives these church leaders are insisting must be sacrificed on the altar of their religious freedom.
Read more: https://www.leoweekly.com/2020/04/state-city-vs-churches-dont-drink-religious-freedom-kool-aid-deadly/
(Louisville Eccentric Observer)
customerserviceguy
(25,185 posts)are always looking for ways to identify themselves with Christians from 1800 years ago, who were persecuted by Roman emperors.
Kaiserguy
(740 posts)bring back the games from the Roman days and send them to the Coliseum if they wish to see first hand what real persecution was all about. For them to compare being tossed to the lions with having to act like a responabile adult and miss a few Sundays is an insult to the one who did in fact get tossed to the lions.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,957 posts)bluescribbler
(2,253 posts)Stops where my nose begins.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)yaesu
(8,230 posts)calls this weekend, some pulling over in their cars because they are too weak to make the hospital trip. In rural areas like mine people think they can escape it but they will soon find out different. Also am noticing frustration of patrol officers & dispatch with all the suspicious person calls with the new orders in place. People need to chill, not tie up law enforcement with trivial shit, they are acting like its the zombie apocalypse.
dlk
(12,365 posts)That is something else entirely and lest we forget, our country was founded upon an escape from just that.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)Roland99
(53,345 posts)Not Lexington
I miss grabbing a copy at lunch when I worked in downtown Louisville
TexasTowelie
(116,770 posts)I don't believe I've ever seen the full title before even though I've had the site on my database for a couple of years. I'll make the correction in the OP.
Roland99
(53,345 posts)TexasTowelie
(116,770 posts)I just didn't want anyone to get confused and alerting for using RW talking points because they thought I was posting from "Law Enforcement Officers Weekly."
Roland99
(53,345 posts)Thanks for the link tho
Ill have to start reading it online regular. Had forgotten about them
Left KY 11 yrs ago
TomSlick
(11,888 posts)The social distancing rules do not specifically target religion.
Under a strict scrutiny analysis - the highest standard - the rules are necessary for an important government requirement. The rules are as narrowly tailored as possible to achieve the purpose.
Religious liberty is a fundamental right. However, it is not absolute, just as no right can be absolute. It is difficult to imagine that a court would find the emergency social distancing rules to be a violation of the First Amendment.
paleotn
(19,181 posts)TomSlick
(11,888 posts)The religious liberty arguments being pressed are political, not legal.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,374 posts)Mostly because the TrumpChristoFascists are whiny, frightened snowflakes. They talk a good game, but most are paranoid survivalists who will not be hedging their bets and taking their pastor's word for it.
paleotn
(19,181 posts)Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.
They don't even know what their own scriptures say....and really don't care.
wnylib
(24,393 posts)about ego, politics, and self-assertion. Religion is just a vehicle to them for promoting those 3 things.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)I wouldn't miss them.
wnylib
(24,393 posts)religious freedom claim.
What disturbs me more than the selfish and foolish claims of these fundies is the legal ruling in their favor. How can any court allow a group to claim the right to endanger the general population?
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)Quite easily, it seems...