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old as dirt

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Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:37 AM Mar 2022

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Where does it say anything edhopper Mar 2022 #2
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Okay edhopper Mar 2022 #6
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So tired of these snowybirdie Mar 2022 #4
You really think Religion edhopper Mar 2022 #5
Don't hate snowybirdie Mar 2022 #7
Do you often lecture proselytists about letting people formulate their own ideas? Major Nikon Mar 2022 #11
If you read my initial post snowybirdie Mar 2022 #15
Intellectualism dictates good faith Major Nikon Apr 2022 #36
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Despite your boogeyman reference, that's pretty much how it works Major Nikon Mar 2022 #34
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Religion / "culture" Major Nikon Apr 2022 #37
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Did Jada tell Bill Mahr to die? old as dirt Mar 2022 #8
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Bill Maher being a dick is besides the point. Jirel Mar 2022 #12
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Nope. Religionists claiming lack of a religion is a religion... Jirel Mar 2022 #14
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Bill Mahr doesn't have a religion edhopper Mar 2022 #16
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Boy edhopper Mar 2022 #20
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What is edhopper Mar 2022 #22
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Depends on the culture edhopper Mar 2022 #25
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Let's hope we keep it edhopper Mar 2022 #27
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Too bad edhopper Mar 2022 #29
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Have a good night edhopper Mar 2022 #31
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Why am I reminded of a certain floor covering? Can't.quite.put.my.finger.on.it...lol Fix The Stupid Apr 2022 #40

Response to old as dirt (Original post)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
2. Where does it say anything
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:43 AM
Mar 2022

about feeling oppressed.

And yes Religion is a net negative.

Response to edhopper (Reply #2)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
6. Okay
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:04 AM
Mar 2022

Response to edhopper (Reply #6)

snowybirdie

(5,627 posts)
4. So tired of these
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:58 AM
Mar 2022

pseudo intellectuals telling people what to believe or how to behave. Leave folks alone to be what they want to be if its not hurting anyone. That's freedom!

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
5. You really think Religion
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:03 AM
Mar 2022

isn't hurting anyone? Or our Society.

Have you seen what the Republicans are doing in the name of Religion?

snowybirdie

(5,627 posts)
7. Don't hate
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:06 AM
Mar 2022

religion, nor do I embrace it. Let people formulate their own ideas. You can't make people think the way you do, so leave them alone. You're entitled to your own thinking, not mine. Freedom remember?

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
11. Do you often lecture proselytists about letting people formulate their own ideas?
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:49 AM
Mar 2022

Or are your instructions confined to those who have opinions counter to the proselytists?

So long as people are free to promote religion, so should people be free to criticize it. That's what "freedom" means, remember?

snowybirdie

(5,627 posts)
15. If you read my initial post
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 11:56 AM
Mar 2022

you'll see I said I was tired of pseudo intellectuals. Just my personal opinion. Gee you have a great vocabulary!

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
36. Intellectualism dictates good faith
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 10:06 AM
Apr 2022

If your reasoning only applies in one direction, you've simply created a set of double standards.

If you have a problem with people criticizing religion, then you should have a problem with religion promoting itself. Whenever critical thought is suppressed, bad ideas flourish as they are allowed to propagate unchecked.

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Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
34. Despite your boogeyman reference, that's pretty much how it works
Thu Mar 31, 2022, 10:40 PM
Mar 2022

Calling something “culture” doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Without critical thinking, bad ideas flourish and do not go away.

Response to Major Nikon (Reply #34)

Major Nikon

(36,900 posts)
37. Religion / "culture"
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 10:06 AM
Apr 2022

Criticizing =/ "destroying"

Repeating yourself simply underscores the drama you are trying and failing to generate with your exaggerations. If all you want to do is appeal to emotion, be my guest, but I'm not going to play along other than to point out your tactics.

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old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
8. Did Jada tell Bill Mahr to die?
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 10:08 AM
Mar 2022

Or are women judged differently than men?

Response to old as dirt (Original post)

Jirel

(2,259 posts)
12. Bill Maher being a dick is besides the point.
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 11:19 AM
Mar 2022

Despite being and arrogant dick, he’s right about this.

Religion requires its believers to act in certain ways that are irrational and bad for others, and sometimes for themselves. Some religions require evangelism and forcing others to comply with a religion they abhor. That is unacceptable. So yes, apparently because religious people can’t seem to keep it in their pocket and not poison the lives of others for their imaginary friends, religion should die.

The rest of us are done with bigots who
* Imprison women in their homes and deny them an education and a public life.
* Oppress and murder women because they feel it is their right to deny reproductive control.
* Poison the minds of children by turning schools into religious indoctrination centers.
* Oppress and abuse people whose gender and sexuality do not conform to their ignorant standards.
* Fight religious wars, wiping out hundreds or thousands of people who just want to live without fear of zealots.
* Create massive tax-free scams.
* Urge child abuse because of bizarre beliefs.
* Murder and abuse children in religious “schools.”

It goes on and on. Just about any horror has been, and will be, perpetuated in the name of some imaginary friend who “wants” it done. When people destroy others because they’re listening to “the voices,” we commit them and get them on psychiatric medications. But claim “the voices,” heard or imagined through the words of others, are the standardized “word of god” in a book, and they can get away with anything. It’s time for this garbage to end.

Response to Jirel (Reply #12)

Jirel

(2,259 posts)
14. Nope. Religionists claiming lack of a religion is a religion...
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 11:41 AM
Mar 2022

… either don’t understand reality, or intentionally deny it.

Atheism. Is. Not. A. Religion.

Atheism is LACK of religion. The vacuum of space is not an atmosphere. It is the lack of atmosphere. Not having a dog isn’t an alternative version of dog ownership. It is a lack of having a dog.

Butthurt religionists luuuuuuurve to try to put atheism on an even par with their religion, when the idea is factually, bizarrely, wrong. Atheists get to be wrong like everyone else. The difference is, atheists being wrong about many things is their own opinion, not a claim that they are OF COURSE they are right because their imaginary friend said so, QED.

SO naw, don’t even go there. Bill Maher has no religion. He is objecting to people trying to run the lives of others, often cruelly and bizarrely so, because the imaginary friend in their religion supposedly said to do it.

Response to Jirel (Reply #14)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
16. Bill Mahr doesn't have a religion
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 01:26 PM
Mar 2022

he is an Atheist.

Response to edhopper (Reply #16)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
20. Boy
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 04:12 PM
Mar 2022

do you have that meme wrong.

It's all about disbelief, not belief.

Response to edhopper (Reply #20)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
22. What is
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 05:01 PM
Mar 2022

an atheist fundamentalist? Sounds insulting and belittling.

The meme is all people are atheists for all gods but their own. It's just that atheist don't believe in one more god than they do.

It is a knock on believers, not atheists.

Response to edhopper (Reply #22)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
25. Depends on the culture
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 06:45 PM
Mar 2022

I bet there are a lot of cultures you don't think we're all that good for the people who lived in them.

Response to edhopper (Reply #25)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
27. Let's hope we keep it
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 07:31 PM
Mar 2022

As the GOP tries to make us a theocracy

Response to edhopper (Reply #27)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
29. Too bad
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 08:49 PM
Mar 2022

It has become the Party of fascists, anti-science, theocratic nutters who are in thrall to Trump.
I don't think it can be saved.

Response to edhopper (Reply #25)

edhopper

(34,802 posts)
31. Have a good night
Wed Mar 30, 2022, 09:08 PM
Mar 2022

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Fix The Stupid

(962 posts)
40. Why am I reminded of a certain floor covering? Can't.quite.put.my.finger.on.it...lol
Fri Apr 1, 2022, 12:33 PM
Apr 2022
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