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sl8

(16,245 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 08:03 AM Jun 2022

Vatican documents show secret back channel between Pope Pius XII and Adolph Hitler

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/vatican-documents-show-secret-back-channel-between-pope-pius-xii-and-adolph-hitler

(Video, transcript at link)

Vatican documents show secret back channel between Pope Pius XII and Adolph Hitler

Jun 7, 2022 6:35 PM EDT

A series of recently opened Vatican archives are shedding new light on the relationship between Pope Pius XII and Adolph Hitler as he led Nazi Germany during World War II. A new book takes a deeper look at these revelations. Historian David Kertzer, author of “The Pope At War: The Secret History of Pope Pius XII, Mussolini, and Hitler,” joins Amna Nawaz to discuss.

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Vatican documents show secret back channel between Pope Pius XII and Adolph Hitler (Original Post) sl8 Jun 2022 OP
Ugggh. Just ugggh. hlthe2b Jun 2022 #1
The Church's own Neville Chamberlain Zambero Jun 2022 #2
Kind of like Vlad Putin setting up a secret back channel communication link with Trump through ... Botany Jun 2022 #3
This is not a new discovery. I was reading about it in the '60's. Got into a niyad Jun 2022 #4
Pius Is Above All A Conservative modrepub Jun 2022 #5
Another "conspiracy theory" proven true. Midnight Writer Jun 2022 #6

hlthe2b

(106,379 posts)
1. Ugggh. Just ugggh.
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 08:17 AM
Jun 2022

So many simply horrid Popes, yet Francis, who is actually trying to enact some change is demonized by so many... Sigh....

Zambero

(9,766 posts)
2. The Church's own Neville Chamberlain
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:02 AM
Jun 2022

He refused to stand up to the Nazi's and the genocidal plan to liquidate Europe's Jewish population. Instead, for the "good of the Church", he sought to co-exist with them, even though it meant certain death for many. Saint or cowardly scumbag? Anyone in a position of authority who would pursue the former should be required to tour Auschwitz.

niyad

(119,989 posts)
4. This is not a new discovery. I was reading about it in the '60's. Got into a
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 09:55 AM
Jun 2022

huge argument with my devoutly catholic parents when I pointed it out.

modrepub

(3,614 posts)
5. Pius Is Above All A Conservative
Wed Jun 8, 2022, 10:08 AM
Jun 2022

He probably had more of an inroads with the Facists and Nazis than he thought. Italy being mainly Catholic and Hitler (through his mother) and parts of Germany significantly Catholic. That he didn't push this relationship to actually change what happened to Jews and any other Nazi opponents in Europe is the big problem in my mind.

It seems he was more interested in maintaining the Church (its peoples and properties) than arguing for respect for all people, including people of other (or no) faiths. And I guess that's the larger tragedy of all of this, he could have (given his potential religious relationship with both Hitler and Mussolini) and should have done more.

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