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icymist

(15,888 posts)
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 02:21 PM Aug 2014

Asgard as a Multi-Racial Society

On the internet and in the news media, unfortunately, one will come across the completely whacked-out idea that heathenry has something to do with racism. (I’m part Native American, so, I would not have been welcomed in heathenry if that were true.) Whether one is talking about universalist heathen sects (which are inclusive by charter), or folkish sects attempting to recreate specific tribalisms with descendants of specific tribes, the concepts of race and race purity just do not fit in heathen religion and mythology. The idea of race is a modern concept.

The ancient heathens were tribal peoples. The Saxons and the Celts did not think of themselves as the same people. They were different tribes with different languages and different gods. They were “other” to each other, and yet, they also intermarried. Heathens of the ancient world traded, raided, married, and had sex with pretty much any group of people they encountered. They had no concept of racial purity. If a Norse Viking brought a Celtic woman home to Norway and they had a son raised in his village, he was Norse. Adoption and fostering of children and the mutual adoption of adults through blood-brotherhood ceremonies were common and accepted practices, and once one was adopted, one was just as much family as birth family was. That was the practice among humans, and it was the practice among the gods in the mythology stories those humans told.

The gods in Norse mythology are pretty much the same gods as in other Germanic cultures, with a few regional variations. But the mythology we have to work with was largely written down in Icelandic because Iceland happened to be the last heathen / pagan culture to convert to Christianity, in the year 1000. There are other texts to work with that were written by ancient Romans and Arabs in explaining the heathen cultures, but the stories we tell of the gods are pretty much the ones written down a few hundred years after the conversion, in Old Norse and Old Icelandic. This presents challenges in reconstructing exactly what the ancient heathens actually believed.

http://eternalhauntedsummer.com/issues/summer-solstice-2014/asgard-as-a-multi-racial-society/

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Asgard as a Multi-Racial Society (Original Post) icymist Aug 2014 OP
Our people sailed and traveled to a great many places Tyrs WolfDaemon Aug 2014 #1
Thanks for the post. love_katz Aug 2014 #2

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
1. Our people sailed and traveled to a great many places
Sat Aug 16, 2014, 05:55 PM
Aug 2014

I've even read that Norse 'graffiti' has been found in and around the Middle East from where bands of Norsemen were hired to be body guards for local big-wigs here and there (probably well-to-do merchants).

From the various histories I've read over the years, I recall that we would try to dress like and participate in the communities we traded with. It would greatly surprise me if some didn't come home with a bride and/or kids from those places. That definitely does not sound like something the racists and 'white power' types would dare do.

Personally, I always hated having to deal with people that would see my Thor's Hammer and instantly think that I belonged to some racist prison gang or something. Luckily most would see their error after a fact filled conversation.

love_katz

(2,870 posts)
2. Thanks for the post.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 03:06 PM
Aug 2014

I always love learning new information about my North European ancestors.

I also like that The Troth has a statement that people who are interested in joining don't have to be of North European ancestry to participate or feel called by the ways of the Northern folk.

All good blessings to you Tyrs, and to Icymist as well.

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