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[Kath2]

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[Loge23]

1. It's a club more than a religion.

I too went to Catholic schools through High School.
Ironically, it was the High School experience that really woke me up to the hypocrisy of the organization.
We had several young, very hip for the times, priests and laymen as teachers and it was those that ultimately opened my eyes to the scam.
Of course, there were a few others who were much more conservative and unfortunately it was the latter group that held the power.
On guy, very popular for the right reasons, was sent away to the order's headquarters. This was after my sophomore year, 1970. This fellow was staunchly anti-war and attended many rallies (and concerts at the old Fillmore East for that matter) with his students.
He was also staunchly non-violent and he encouraged any student who was interested in pursuing Conscientious Objector status.
I thought that non-violence and being anti-war was entirely consistent with Christ's teachings. Apparently, a sizable portion of the conservative wing thought otherwise. Within a year or so, the priest fell in love with the chambermaid at the rectory and left the order to marry her! A few of us went to the wedding!
By my senior year (1971-72) the wheels had effectively come off the bus and sides had been chosen by both students and faculty.
I was taught to question authority and did so. I began to believe that the rites of the religion were just that - rites, and had little to do with the tenets of the religion. The gold, the elaborate vestments, the cathedrals and churches were bastions of privilege - many in the center of a rapidly changing New York City at the time.
I no longer consider myself to be a Catholic although I do occasionally still attend weddings and funerals in a church. I do not participate in the rites. I'm also close friends with a family who has a priest along them, and he's a terrific guy, but we don't discuss business.
Seems my suspicions have caught on. Many churches and schools are closing. The Catholic church, at least in the United States, has taken a hard right turn. Many practicing Catholics support one of the most amoral presidents this country has ever seen.
I have no use for any organized religion - they are basically social clubs and they no longer deserve a tax-exempt status.

[Kath2]

3. Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

[rurallib]

2. I am long removed from the Catholic Church. The catholic group may be a bad place to post

for recovering Catholics.

But since you asked I will answer:

I am @ 13 years older than you. Spent all 12 years in Catholic schools, the last three against my desires. The hypocrisies in my church and schools were overwhelming.

In high school we had a priest / principal who was abusing the male students fairly openly. There are still lawsuits in courts against this priest.

By 7th grade Catholicism seemed like a joke. By 10th grade I had quit going to church. My parents and I seldom saw each other, so it never became an issue.

When I was an altar boy on Sunday mornings I would always chuckle inside at those who were sitting in the front pews were the same people I saw messing with other spouse at the KC's party the night before. And they must have had such hangovers!

I had become involved in the anti-war movement in HS and became more so in college. Amazed me that the local churches supported the War. Oh so many things were so bothersome.

I tried other christian sects off and on for about a decade and finally came to my own conclusion that pretty much every religion was pretty much hokum. At that time I just became non-religious.

In the past decade thanks in large measure to the internet I have come to the conclusion that I am an atheist. I feel very comfortable with my current state. When religion does occasionally come up I have found many of my friends are closeted atheists themselves.

[Kath2]

4. Thank you so much.

I can definitely relate.

[JoeOtterbein]

5. I left when I saw something too horrific to relate here. Never looked back, except...

...to remember how horrible some of the "good" catholics really were.

Happy to hear you made it out too!

[Kath2]

7. Happy for you!

[comradebillyboy]

6. I gave up on Holy Mother the Church about 50 years ago and

religious belief altogether. I regret upsetting my parents back then but never regretted leaving.

[Kath2]

8. Good for you.

I am pretty much estranged from my parents but I can accept that.

[sarisataka]

9. I am glad you found your peace

But this is not really the right place for this post

[Kath2]

10. Sorry.

But thank you for the reply.