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no_hypocrisy

(48,778 posts)
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 07:18 AM Feb 2022

We're both Jewish

I am the daughter of Jewish parents who were children of Jewish parents who were children of Jewish parents. I went to Sunday School, flirted with a Bas Mitzvah but didn't get one. I toured Germany and Austria, visiting a vandalized synagogue in Augsburg and Dachau. And I "lost God". I literally left the religion during the Yom Kippur service in 1984. And now I am an atheist. But I'm still Jewish.

Compare my situation to that of a dear childhood friend.

He discovered after his parents' deaths that he was adopted. His (adoptive) parents raised him as a Conservative Jew. As an adult, he took the Ancestry DNA test and not one drop of Jewish blood. That raised flags. He found his biological parents, both non-Jews. My friend is modern Orthodox. He immigrated to Israel and lives in a West Bank settlement. He went to the Israeli rabbis to see if he still qualified as a "Jew" notwithstanding the bris and the bar mitzvah, Jewish wedding, raising a Jewish family. They deemed he was Jewish according to Israeli law (and Jewish law).

So here we both are: I'm born Jewish and have no faith and my friend was born non-Jewish and more Jewish in his life than I could ever expect to be. His faith is sincere and unfaltering.

We're both Jewish.

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We're both Jewish (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Feb 2022 OP
As a young child I always found it hard to understand the issues with Judaism and Jewish by birth hlthe2b Feb 2022 #1
K & R Budi Feb 2022 #2
I am the child of Holocaust survivors.. agingdem Feb 2022 #3

hlthe2b

(106,334 posts)
1. As a young child I always found it hard to understand the issues with Judaism and Jewish by birth
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 07:43 AM
Feb 2022

did not apply to Catholics (a family friend was both Jewish by blood AND choice but their husband was born to Catholic parents but not a follower of the faith). I think my perplexed parents trying to explain this to us were probably lucky we didn't have an Arab Muslim and likewise a Coptic Christian in the neighborhood to further the confusion.

But, I think this thing with Whoopi underscores that many Americans and particularly African Americans, may view this in a uniquely American perspective if they are not well versed in the 3500 years of history nor well-educated on the past two centuries of European history. And not being well informed/educated on history is once again a major problem for us and only underscores my sig line quote.

But, I appreciate your more contemporary irony.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
2. K & R
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 07:51 AM
Feb 2022

And for your friend, a thank you to Israel & Jewish law.

I wasn't raised anywhere near the Jewish faith & practices, though I have always held a particular respect & affinity for their unity.& bond within their faith.
Though I too am of Jewish blood, was never given the opportunity to participate in the faith & practices, simply by the path of my family.

I do also know the decision to leave one's faith they were raised with, however.





agingdem

(8,541 posts)
3. I am the child of Holocaust survivors..
Thu Feb 3, 2022, 08:32 AM
Feb 2022

I never knew my grandparents, aunts, uncles…they died in Auschwitz, Hitler’s victims…I am Jewish, ethnically and culturally, but I am not religious…my late husband was “half Jewish”…his mother was Baptist (she never converted)… my mother-in-law made the conscious decision to follow her husband’s faith and in doing so, she and her son were much “better Jews” than I will ever be…both my children married non-Jews..my five grandchildren were raised without a faith and yet they all identify as Jewish…my oldest granddaughter says it’s a DNA thing..my college age grandson, a member of a predominantly Jewish fraternity, is quick to anger when told he doesn’t “look” Jewish..his response: “I am a Jew and I have the bona-fides to prove it…I am the great great grandson of Auschwitz survivors so stfu asshole”!…

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