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left-of-center2012

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Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:19 AM Oct 2020

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Bookmarking for later Bayard Oct 2020 #1
Interesting stuff. Thank you. dameatball Oct 2020 #2
K&R & thanks. nt tblue37 Oct 2020 #3
Fascinating... CatMor Oct 2020 #4
KNR and bookmarking. niyad Oct 2020 #5
Yes empedocles Oct 2020 #6
I wonder, though, whether Crete was really isolated from the mainland during that time. Mister Ed Oct 2020 #7
"Considering Crete has been an island for five million years" left-of-center2012 Oct 2020 #8
Yep, I read that part. Mister Ed Oct 2020 #9
I'd like to read what you found left-of-center2012 Oct 2020 #10
Interesting. Looking further, here's what I see: Mister Ed Oct 2020 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2020 #14
I was saying it may have been either connected to the mainland or else closer to it at some times. Mister Ed Oct 2020 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Oct 2020 #16
Me too. I've said so in posts #13 and #15. Mister Ed Oct 2020 #17
Maybe there's a travel guide ? left-of-center2012 Oct 2020 #11
Hard to find good info on that, but apparently it didn't make that much difference eppur_se_muova Oct 2020 #12
Thank you, left-of-center2012. Tremendous when discoveries are made pushing back the time barrier. Judi Lynn Oct 2020 #18

Bayard

(24,145 posts)
1. Bookmarking for later
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:21 AM
Oct 2020

dameatball

(7,602 posts)
2. Interesting stuff. Thank you.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:26 AM
Oct 2020

tblue37

(66,035 posts)
3. K&R & thanks. nt
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:27 AM
Oct 2020

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
4. Fascinating...
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:29 AM
Oct 2020

trying to imagine life 130,000 years ago.

niyad

(119,679 posts)
5. KNR and bookmarking.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:34 AM
Oct 2020

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
6. Yes
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:04 AM
Oct 2020

Mister Ed

(6,351 posts)
7. I wonder, though, whether Crete was really isolated from the mainland during that time.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 11:47 AM
Oct 2020

Water levels in the Mediterranean were much lower during the last Ice Age. I'm not at all knowledgeable on the subject, but I wonder whether there may have been much less open water for humans to traverse to get to Crete, or whether Create may have even been conjoined with the mainland at that time.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
8. "Considering Crete has been an island for five million years"
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:10 PM
Oct 2020

I'm guessing they had reason to write this?

Mister Ed

(6,351 posts)
9. Yep, I read that part.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:13 PM
Oct 2020

It seemed to conflict with other information that turned up in a quick internet search, so I don't know which to believe.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
10. I'd like to read what you found
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:17 PM
Oct 2020

Please post it.

Mister Ed

(6,351 posts)
13. Interesting. Looking further, here's what I see:
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:53 PM
Oct 2020

My initial search was just for maps of the Mediterranean during low-water periods. I won't link to them here because I see that they don't correspond to the time period of the discovered settlements.

Instead, I see that, at the time the settlements were occupied, sea levels were actually higher than they are today:

The current sea level is about 130 metres higher than the historical minimum. Historically low levels were reached during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), about 20,000 years ago. The last time the sea level was higher than today was during the Eemian, about 130,000 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level

Now, this is only Wikipedia, which is not a definitive source. Nonetheless, it seems to bear out the caption in the ancient-origins article stating that, although the discovered settlements are high on a bluff today, they were at the shoreline when they were occupied.

This means that ancient mariners would have needed to traverse an even greater expanse of water 130,000 years ago than they would need to cross today. Or, if they'd only had the patience to wait another 110,000 years until the Glacial Maximum, they might have been able to hike there.


Response to Mister Ed (Reply #13)

Mister Ed

(6,351 posts)
15. I was saying it may have been either connected to the mainland or else closer to it at some times.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:53 PM
Oct 2020

It's generally known that sea levels were about 120m lower than at present during the last ice age. With these lower levels, parts of the modern Mediterranean seafloor were dry land, including the Adriatic and Aegean areas:


https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/File:Mediterranean_Bathymetric_map.png

Some maps and videos I glanced across seemed to show Crete connected to the mainland at that time, or else closer to it. (Mediterranean view is at about 1:10 in this video)



However, as Post #12 says, reliable information on the topic is hard to find. And, as I learned before making post #13, the whole question has no bearing on the OP because this extreme low-water period occurred more than 100,000 years after the settlement described in the OP was occupied.

Response to Mister Ed (Reply #15)

Mister Ed

(6,351 posts)
17. Me too. I've said so in posts #13 and #15.
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 10:58 PM
Oct 2020

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
11. Maybe there's a travel guide ?
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:35 PM
Oct 2020

"Walking to Crete in the Year 120,000 B.C."

AAA rates cave lodging along the way.

Best place to get a mammoth burger.

eppur_se_muova

(37,358 posts)
12. Hard to find good info on that, but apparently it didn't make that much difference
Sat Oct 10, 2020, 12:39 PM
Oct 2020


The water around Crete is mostly pretty deep.

Judi Lynn

(162,358 posts)
18. Thank you, left-of-center2012. Tremendous when discoveries are made pushing back the time barrier.
Thu Oct 15, 2020, 02:03 AM
Oct 2020

There's a lot to anticipate now, with improved technology to use in research.

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