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Judi Lynn

(162,379 posts)
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 11:16 PM Oct 2020

IROQUOIAN WOODLAND VILLAGE SITE DISCOVERED IN ONTARIO


OCTOBER 19, 2020

Iroquoian Woodland Village Site Discovered in Ontario
Excavation of an Iroquoian village site in southeastern Canada ahead of a road construction project has yielded more than 35,000 artefacts, according to a Kitchener Today report.

Representatives of the Six Nations of the Grand Reserve, the Haudenosaunee Development Institute, and the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation have been working with archaeologists throughout the process. Archaeologist Barbara Slim said the village has been dated to between A.D. 1300 and 1600.

The village site has yielded over 35,000 to date in the 400 square units that have been excavated. Those one-by-one metre squares of hand sifted soil have included evidence of permanent settlement, ceramics used for cooking and food preparation, stone tools and more.

. . .

According to their findings, Slim said the site being excavated is a late woodland village, dated to be from around 1300 to 1600. The investigation has found a permanent settlement with several longhouses, as well as a broad range of artefacts and bone material.

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IROQUOIAN WOODLAND VILLAGE SITE DISCOVERED IN ONTARIO (Original Post) Judi Lynn Oct 2020 OP
Judi Judi Judi CountMyVote4Reality Oct 2020 #1
This information is definitely new to me! It's amazing to get access to so many new discoveries. Judi Lynn Oct 2020 #8
That's odd... druidity33 Oct 2020 #2
Iroquoian is an adjective that applies to wnylib Oct 2020 #3
So could it be... druidity33 Oct 2020 #4
The Iroquoian people themselves wnylib Oct 2020 #5
Thank you for the education. druidity33 Oct 2020 #6
The "s" gets dropped in Iroquois because wnylib Oct 2020 #7
I will be reading this post again, hoping more will stick! Wonderful to see the information. Judi Lynn Oct 2020 #9
My awareness of Native American groups wnylib Oct 2020 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author wnylib Oct 2020 #11
1. Judi Judi Judi
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 02:23 AM
Oct 2020

You always bring the best news we didn't know we needed, but are so thrilled to discover it. Thank you!

Judi Lynn

(162,379 posts)
8. This information is definitely new to me! It's amazing to get access to so many new discoveries.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:52 AM
Oct 2020

Have never seen so many breakthroughs so rapidly ever. New technology accelerates us, doesn't it?

You are more than kind.

Thank you, and welcome back to D.U.

Progressives are vital.

druidity33

(6,556 posts)
2. That's odd...
Tue Oct 20, 2020, 05:40 AM
Oct 2020

I would have expected it to just be "Iroquois Woodland Village Site discovered". I've never heard of Native tribal names adding that declension/word ending(?). Never heard of the Hopian desert caves or the Seminolian swamps either.



K&R otherwise

wnylib

(24,391 posts)
3. Iroquoian is an adjective that applies to
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:08 PM
Oct 2020

several culturally and linguistically related but individual tribes. It's like describing the early northern European tribes as Germanic.

I would guess that the word Iroquoian is being used because they have not identified a specific tribe that the village was a part of. But from the region and the longhouse style of home discovered, they know that it was Iroquoian - or Haudenosaunee, which is what this cultural/linguistic group calls themselves as a whole, and which means, "People of the Longhouse." Iroquois is what the French called them.

druidity33

(6,556 posts)
4. So could it be...
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:20 PM
Oct 2020

Haudenosauneean as well? I'm just not familiar with the suffix being added is what i was saying. I would normally expect to see it written as "Iroquois Woodland Village", etc.



wnylib

(24,391 posts)
5. The Iroquoian people themselves
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 01:39 PM
Oct 2020

would probably object to it being called an Iroquois village because that subtly implies that Iroquois is a tribal name, which it isn't. Consider that the Danish speak a Germanic language, but would not want to be called Germans.

Yes, they could be called Haudenosauneean, in an Anglicized version of their name, but most people (outside of the Haudenosaunee) don't know them by that name. And most don't know how to pronounce it, either.

druidity33

(6,556 posts)
6. Thank you for the education.
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 08:17 PM
Oct 2020

Does the suffix persist in similar tribal 'confederations', ie. Apachean or Blackfootian? I notice the S gets dropped in Iroquois... who decides these things? Sorry to sidetrack the excellent article btw...

wnylib

(24,391 posts)
7. The "s" gets dropped in Iroquois because
Wed Oct 21, 2020, 09:09 PM
Oct 2020

it's a French word and follows French pronunciation patterns.

There are many cultural/linguistic groups of Native Americans, just as there are of other peoples around the world. Most of the general grouping terms that we use for them come from anthropological linguistic and cultural studies and are not necessarily terms the people would use for themselves.

For example, the grouping from the US southeastern tribes that were removed to OK is Muskogean. They include the Creek, Chickasaw, and Choctaw, but NOT the Cherokee, who were also removed from the same region at the same time on the Trail of Tears. The Cherokee are linguistically and culturally Iroquoian. Before being removed to OK, they were the southernmost Iroquoian tribe. They never joined the Iroquois Confederacy and were enemies of the Iroquois confederated tribes.

Another grouping is the Uto-Aztecan of the US southwest and parts of Mexico. They are the largest linguistic family of Native Americans in terms of the number of speakers. Being part of a linguistic family implies having a shared distant past, just like French, Spanish, and Italian have a shared past in Latin language and culture before becoming separate languages and nations. So the cultures of the various Native American tribes in a linguistic group might have some similarities, like their languages have some similarities, but they evolved into separate tribal nations over time.

The Uto-Aztecan group includes the Utes of Utah, the Shoshoni, Comanche, Hopi, Aztecs, snd several lesser known tribes of the southwest and CA.

Another very large grouping is the Algonquian linguistic/cultural group. There is a tribe called Algonquin, but the group also includes the New England tribes that the colonial Puritans encountered, the Powhattan Confederacy of VA, and several Canadian and US midwestern tribes.

The names that you have specifically mentioned - the Apache and Blackfoot people - apply to individual tribes rather than to groupings of tribes. Therefore, they are simply called Apache or Blackfoot. The "an" ending is generally applied to cultural linguistic groupings.

Judi Lynn

(162,379 posts)
9. I will be reading this post again, hoping more will stick! Wonderful to see the information.
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 04:59 AM
Oct 2020

Had no idea of the connection of the Cherokee Nation to the others. Amazing.

So much suffering endured before the European appetite could be sated.

Your awareness of so much history of Native people is enviable.

Thank you for your posts.

wnylib

(24,391 posts)
10. My awareness of Native American groups
Thu Oct 22, 2020, 05:57 PM
Oct 2020

is due to an anthropology prof whose area of expertise was the cultures of pre-Columbian America. His more specific area of study was the Native people of the US Southwest. Plus a lot of my own independent study and personal research. (I had a grandmother who was mixed, English and "Iroquoian" - Seneca and Mohawk). Happy to share what I've learned.

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