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Judi Lynn

(162,344 posts)
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 11:49 AM Aug 2023

Scientists discover that neanderthals were getting high on psychedelics millions of years ago


Harry Fletcher
Aug 18, 2023

Neanderthals liked to unwind after a hard day’s work hunter gathering by consuming psychoactive drugs, a new study has found.

A discovery of human hair strands at a burial site in Menorca, Spain has given us evidence of drug use in prehistoric times.

Research was put forward in a new study published in the journal Scientific Reports, and they shine new light on drug use throughout history.

The findings uncovered a number of different alkaloid substances which came from nightshade plants.

They contain scopolamine and atropine which can cause hallucinations and out-of-body experiences, while ephedrine is a stimulant.

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https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/scientists-neanderthals-getting-high
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Scientists discover that neanderthals were getting high on psychedelics millions of years ago (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2023 OP
Not a suprise at all. We sentient beings love to play with our minds. nt Biophilic Aug 2023 #1
Party animals! Beastly Boy Aug 2023 #2
Doood... progressoid Aug 2023 #3
Poor headline, Neanderthals did not exist "millions" of years ago ... SarcasticSatyr Aug 2023 #4
Thank you for being picky so I con't have to Warpy Aug 2023 #6
Not the only one who noted that. Duppers Aug 2023 #8
As Hunter/Gatherers I would not be surprised if they came accross Psilocybin and mitch96 Aug 2023 #5
Interesting. But I was left scratching my head about one sentence: 70sEraVet Aug 2023 #7

Beastly Boy

(11,086 posts)
2. Party animals!
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 12:03 PM
Aug 2023

I bet cro-magnons were frequent visitors, hence the neanderthal DNA in modern homo sapiens...

progressoid

(50,734 posts)
3. Doood...
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 12:04 PM
Aug 2023
https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/


Ancient cave painters may have been stoned, study says

According to a new paper in "Time and Mind: The Journal of Archaeology, Consciousness and Culture" by Tel Aviv University archaeologists, the humans who ventured into these subterranean enclosures during the Upper Paleolithic (50,000 to 12,000 years ago) would have needed to light torches in order to see what they were doing. In the process, they would have reduced the amount of oxygen in the caves, inducing hypoxia (oxygen-deprivation) in their brains. That, in turn, would have put them in a state of altered consciousness, experiencing euphoria, out-of-body experiences and perhaps even hallucinations.

https://www.salon.com/2021/04/07/ancient-cave-painters-may-have-been-stoned-study-says/

SarcasticSatyr

(1,283 posts)
4. Poor headline, Neanderthals did not exist "millions" of years ago ...
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 12:10 PM
Aug 2023

the most recent data suggests that they evolved around 300 thousand years ago, and the best examples of Neanderthal fossils date from 130 thousand to 40 thousand years.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
6. Thank you for being picky so I con't have to
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 03:45 PM
Aug 2023


I wouldn't be at all surprised it did find traces of psychedelic substances that old, residues in shells. We humans have loved to send our brains on vacation for a long time and if they don't see this among other apes, maybe they haven't looked hard enough. We know other primates enjoy leaving fruit on the trees until it ferments into alcoholic fruit and they party down on it, along with birds and some other mammals. Getting high is probably as old as our brains are.

Oetzi, "the Iceman," was found with cannabis, obviously used either medicinally or recreationally 5500 years ago in Europe.

Maybe as the anthropological data sink in and the research adds up, we'll be able to beat the pickle faced Puritans back for a while. They will never unbend, we just have to stop voting for them "for the children."



mitch96

(14,618 posts)
5. As Hunter/Gatherers I would not be surprised if they came accross Psilocybin and
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 01:02 PM
Aug 2023

Amanita mushrooms.. Good eatin'n!!
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70sEraVet

(4,134 posts)
7. Interesting. But I was left scratching my head about one sentence:
Tue Aug 29, 2023, 05:56 PM
Aug 2023

"The cave also contained boxes patterned with psychedelic decorations, which could well have been decorated while neanderthals were under the influence."

Boxes? I assume 'drawn', rather than 'cardboard'.
And what, exactly, are 'psychedelic decorations'? Do they glow under a blacklight?


I'll check to see other articles on this. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Personally, I'm an old partier at John Prince Park, Lake Worth Beach in the golden years 1969-71. Neanderthals got NOTHIN on.ME!

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