Atheists & Agnostics
Related: About this forumLostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Heddi
(18,312 posts)the ones who lie in their alerts to the hosts specifically
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)To me, it's fucking despicable that rug would use the death of a DUer in an attempt to silence an outspoken atheist.
To rug: the comment that Heddi was lampooning was a post by hrmjustin where he mentioned he was praying for a friend. That friend was NYC_SKP, who was given the banhammer by the DU admin because he called Hillary the C* word. It had nothing to do with xchrom, and for you to fabricate that fact in your alert is horseshit. Now, I know that you really meant to send a ToS alert instead of an SoP alert (don't even try to deny it), but it's too late - you can't unring that bell.
(FWIW: because he couldn't play well with others, rug is blocked from the A&A group. For those that say it's not fair that he can't defend himself, tough cookies. He's free to whine about this in any of the numerous believer-centric groups.)
ALERTED DISCUSSION THREAD
-- Author: Heddi
-- Title: In my prayers, buddy
-- Location: Atheists & Agnostics
-- Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:06 PM
-- Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046420
ALERT INFORMATION
-- Sent by: rug
-- Reason: This discussion thread violates the Statement of Purpose for this forum.
-- Alerter's comments: This is a not so veiled personal attack on another member's post on the passing of DUer xchrom.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678
All you have to do is read the first reply.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)What does any of this have to do with xchrom?
It is vile to exploit the death of a DUer in order to get even with posters you don't like, rug.
This is low even for you.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)I don't have enough adjectives to describe how many kinds of pissed off this makes me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)How much do you have to hate someone to exploit a friend's death to get even with them?
Someone needs to go for a long walk and think about what they just did.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,483 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:32 AM - Edit history (1)
Results were posted to the hrmjustin thread:
Mail Message
On Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
In my prayers, buddy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046420
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This is a not so veiled personal attack on another member's post on the passing of DUer xchrom.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678
All you have to do is read the first reply.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:46 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously, this bullshit is above my pay grade.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
I sleep all night and I work all day
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678#post27
If I've got my time zones right, that 2nd alert was sent 2 minutes after the failed alert that went to the hosts was posted. So, despite the lengthy refutation in that post, the alerter thought it was worth trying to fool a jury.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)And it's nice to see he lied about it mocking the death of a DUer again. What a tool.
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)And x is dead? I thought the link might explain.
I can't believe rug is still trolling from the grave. No wait, yes I can.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 30, 2015, 05:26 PM - Edit history (1)
But the thread rug linked to is one from June and it was a tribute to NYC SKP after he was banned.
Just when you think you've seen the lowest of the low on DU someone always comes along to lower the bar even further.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Here is his thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026827685
It was very sad and this alert makes me really angry. We found out about xchrom's passing on June 13 and Justin made the post in that link in the alert on June 4th. Maybe he's physic?
(RIP xcrhom... I still miss you)
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Its almost like rug was lying there.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)No, rug would never lie. He is most definitely not a lying PoS.
Iggo
(48,271 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)He never stooped to the level of people who send fabricated alerts.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)It didn't stop him from alerting but I don't ever want him on my jury.
Response to EvolveOrConvolve (Reply #4)
kdmorris This message was self-deleted by its author.
Rob H.
(5,568 posts)This? That's evidence of a "not so veiled personal attack"? On what planet?
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It had NOTHING to do with X-Chrom.
I wouldn't EVER make fun of a passing of a member of DU, and X-Chrom in particular. I never had a single bad encounter with X-Chrom and always got along with him/her.[/font]
Rob H.
(5,568 posts)I think it's ridiculous that that was supposed to be "evidence." And how pathetic is it to trawl a group you're blocked from in the hopes of finding something hide-worthy and, failing that, lie in an alert in hopes that a jury will agree with you?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)It's a fucking joke of an alert, deliberately deceptive and vague to try and catch a jury sleeping. Such impotent rage.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)That whole part about "do not bear false witness against thy neighbor" didn't LITERALLY pertain ONLY to the guy who lives next door.
just sayin'
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)with the argument about whether the Bible should be taken literally or not. We all know that the Bible should always be taken literally. Unless we don't like what it says.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Just if we want to make this official. We still have one more host to vote so maybe she'll vote to agree with rug
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)This is the shittiest thing I've seen in a long time.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)in the yacht club will be stepping up to condemn him for this, just as they would if one of us had done it. (yes, Captain...I'm looking right the fuck at you).
mr blur
(7,753 posts)They are on the whole beneath contempt. Faitheists and Papists, all lost at sea together.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)has already stepped up to applaud this. What a shock.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)And a shitty one at that.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)What a despicable, lying, manipulative, vicious, petty, and vile thing to do.
Wish I could say I was surprised.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)that he will never hear the end of this. And since he mistakenly sent an alert to the hosts, his name is on it so he can't play his usual game of "I don't alert."
trotsky
(49,533 posts)The act is OVER. Exposed for all to see.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)is that not *ONLY* is he resurrecting his dead friend to make a dishonest point, but he is alerting on a thread that was a mock of ANOTHER thread I made mocking a thread where people were oh so sad about a nasty bigot who called Hillary Clinton a no-so-veiled version of the "C-word."
So what is worse:
1) making a bullshit alert and using the body of his dead friend to do it
2) LYING in that bullshit alert and using the body of his dead friend to do it
3) REALLY being offended that not everyone holds his dear banned bigot buddy in the highest of esteem like he does.
??
You know, if the alert had said "mocking a safe haven" he'd have been right. I was mocking a safe haven post where people were hugging and gushing over a well-known Atheist/Agnostic hater and instigator and someone who had absolutely no compunction calling Hillary Clinton a "cunning stunt"---who also didn't have any problem, within DAYS after the Newtown shootings lamenting Adam Lanza's choice of a Mossberg as his weapon of choice because it wasn't the best weapon one could have chosen for up-close shooting (look up "would you kiss your mossberg with that mouth" in the DU archives...you'll find it.
THAT's where the mock was. It actually goes deeper than that. After NYC Skip was banned, I mocked THAT thread with "your'e in our prayers" buddy where all of us who had seen his mask slipping for quite some time, who were systematically abused by the vicious bigot, could come together as well and discuss his untimely departure.
So I was mocking a post in a safe haven -- this one.
post 1 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678
post 2 http://www.democraticunderground.com/123043106
post 3 http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046420
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)They let it stand 0-7... someone's alert privileges got revoked for a day:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678#post27
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mail Message
On Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
In my prayers, buddy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046420
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
This is a not so veiled personal attack on another member's post on the passing of DUer xchrom.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1225678
All you have to do is read the first reply.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Sep 29, 2015, 08:46 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously, this bullshit is above my pay grade.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay
I sleep all night and I work all day
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)and someone is caught taking a crap for all to see. You just can't pull your pants back up fast enough that we don't all see it.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Thanks for making my day. That was.... Yeah.
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Weird.[/font]
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Banned for posting jury results?
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Seems like the only traffic they get is when they're talking about us.
Look at the difference in numbers:
Atheists & Agnostics 30 day posts: 1,392 / All time posts: 46,642
Prayer Circle 30 day posts: 37 / All time posts: 807
Looks like group envy to me.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)I called rug out on his hypocrisy, but that's probably enough to get me blocked. It's okay to defend calling Hillary the c* word, but not okay to point out dishonesty.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If I had had abused the memory of a friend by lying about another DUer in an alert I sure wouldn't be linking to the thread that proves it.
And discussing it at length with people who considered xchrom a friend too.
Apparently they think it's fine for rug to exploit xchrom's death to score points against atheists on DU.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)and since rug put a link to Justin's post in there, probably clicked on the wrong link.
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)when rug was the one trolling the A&A safe haven and lying in an alert about a dead DUer in an attempt to silence someone in our safe haven.
And note: when rug says he "misunderstood" what justin's thread was about, he's completely and utterly full of shit. He's well aware of the history of the hrmjustin show and how justin defended NYC_SKP after NYC_SKP used the c* word to describe Hillary.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)Do you or don't know?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I ask where did I defend him?
I never defended his actions. Hillary is my candidate.
I did repost what he claimed he was reposting in his imfamous post.since I was mirt at the time I had access to it.
Our relationship had been strained in his last six months here because his posts on HRC.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)You are within your right to ban me as host but I ask you to please provide me a link that I defended him after his banning?
I never defended him to my knowledge.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're not here to call us out over our super secret fb group?
mr blur
(7,753 posts)You don't think they really believe that bmus? I mean, really?
On Facebook? Facebook for fuck' s sake?
What, in between sharing pictures of our pets and updating our relationship status?
Astonishing.
Can you imagine how paranoid someone would have to be to worry about what people are saying about them on Facebook? I mean, somebody who wasn't, say, 12?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)IT'S A CONSPRIRASEE TO CONTROL WEATHER PATTERMS OVER THE US!!!
We evil atheists are very busy.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)1. Do you think it's okay to lie about a dead DUer in an attempt to silence someone in a safe haven?
2. Do you think it's okay for rug to violate this safe haven by alert trolling it? If so, I'd like to see you call him on it, because let's face it; if a non-believer had done the same, I can guarantee you'd (rightfully) call them on it.
(btw, if you truly respected safe havens, you'd never have been here to see your name in the first place)
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)And no I'm not going to block you.
I really want answers to those questions - if you're as fair and equitable as you've claimed in the past, then you should be decidedly offended by rug's actions. The fact that you won't answer the questions and you won't give even a meager, lukewarm admonishment to rug tells me a lot about your character. You're either afraid of something or being totally dishonest, and neither matches the person you claim yourself to be.
(although you're a Met's fan, so you can't be all bad
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)Isn't it worth it to you to have some dialog?
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]But since you are here and I won't set foot in PC could I ask you if you know why Xemas was blocked?
From my point of view they were either trying to alert you to what was going down here or got mixed up by all the links in the alert. I don't think he/she meant anything malicious.
But I thought you might know more than me. Maybe there was something else involved but it seems like an innocent got caught up in the two groups squabbles and that doesn't seem right.
I know you had nothing to do with it, but I thought you might know something I didn't or could bring this up with the hosts of PC.
Sorry, that blocking has been bothering me since the moment I saw it.
Thanks for your time.
Edit: To those viewing this thread I completed this conversation via PMs. No need for anyone to reply to this post.[/font]
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)It's bothering me, too. I really don't understand why she did that to Xemasab but I'm worried that it might have had something to do with me.
LostOne4Ever
(9,597 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]But I don't think it is your fault at all.
Accidents and misunderstandings happen!
[/font]
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)It's not my "fault", but I do think that the action was taken only after I posted. It is unjust.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)declined to unblock him/her.
I guess that admitting she made a mistake isn't something she is willing to do.
Oh, well, I tried to rectify the situation.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's not your fault, at least you tried.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Even if she overreacted and blocked Xemasab based on something I said, she is responsible for her own actions.
I cannot believe that she will not even consider that a mistake was made.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It takes a hell of a lot for our hosts to block people from this group, and even then it's completely transparent so that everyone knows the blockee was given a fair shot.
Our hosts rock!
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)with the notion of blocking/banning people or being banned yourself. It seems to be your first rection when you encounter someone who doesn't think exactly like you. About everything. Notably God and Ms Clinton. As you know I have no respect for your religion and whether or not your blessed Hillary gets to be President is a matter of complete indifference to me - one American right-wing millionaire who needs to claim that their favourite book is the Bible is pretty much like any other to those of us who don't live there and don't particularly care - but don't you think that your record of banning people from groups where you are a host is rather . . . childish? It's a bit like taking your ball and leaving the playground because no-one want to play the same game as you.
And then sticking your fingers in your ears and humming loudly whenever anyone questions you about it.
Anyone who tries to engage with you at all beyond your familiar string of one-line expressions either seems to end up getting banned or left with one of your "I refuse to talk to you any more" posts.
No doubt you will claim that this is a personal attack on you and I'm sure that the usual suspects would be happy to join in and say what a nasty atheist bastard I am but, really, it's not an attack at all. Although we have never met - and never will - it's obvious that you and I don't like each other but I would never ban you from anywhere because you dared to disagree with me or because you laughed at me. Laugh away - it doesn't touch me and it certainly doesn't hurt anyone.
I'm just wondering: why won't you answer EvolveOrConvolve's questions? I mean, you came into our safe haven - from which no-one has banned you - presumably to engage with people, right?
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)I'll keep you in my prayers.
Response to hrmjustin (Reply #51)
muriel_volestrangler This message was self-deleted by its author.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)... that he called us all shit throwing monkeys?
How come that's not hide worthy?
I'm inclined to report it, but I don't "hide" people. It especially seems unfair to do so to damaged children.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Heddi
(18,312 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)kdmorris
(5,649 posts)I have to keep myself from typing out Dough all the time when addressing one of my clients named Doug.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 3, 2015, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)
There should be no letters after the "n". Musta hit it when I hit the "shift".
Besides, the feminine of "Justin" is "Justine" ....as in De Sade's book.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Besides, were I to sissify your name I would have gone much more elaborate.... and not as an insult. I like sissies (I was one) and drag queens and bears and leather guys and all those "subcategories" of gay men. They make for a great party.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)And yet you wear it so well.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)It will not go to a jury after 24 hours.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Because, you know, vacations. Oh, and stupid alerts--probably more of those coming.
ETA: I know you're reading this, buddy.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)We only get a temporary break from the impotent rage.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)How sweet the place smells already.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Did I use that correctly? Well, no need to start now . . .
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)In this best of all possible possible possible worlds!
(From "Candide". The BEST lyrics by Richard Wilbur. Notice the internal rhymes. And then there's Bernstein's music too. A great but very difficult show.)
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)due to a variety of absences. Not sure where they've gone, though. Would hate to think that they have some secret group where they talk bad about all of us and try to make sense of it all.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)edhopper
(34,836 posts)what happened? where did he go?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't think we should forget this incident, especially since some people still think they can claim the high road.
onager
(9,356 posts)And some music in honor of the OP...
Oh, how your bubble's gonna burst
When you meet another nurse,
She'll be driving in a hearse...
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)For an "echo chamber" we sure do have a lot of lively discussions about all kinds of topics.
Unlike other groups who only get traffic when they whine about how persecuted they are by dem evul atheists!!1!
Our group rocks!
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)a collective sense of humor about ourselves...really kind of sad to see other groups that don't and that you know never will.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Who has time to laugh when there are so many wrong people on the internet?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This is the livliest and most popular group for a reason. We don't sit around and whine about how persecuted we are on DU, we actually enjoy ourselves.