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Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
1. I wonder who will succeed Dawkins as Pope of atheism
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:10 PM
Oct 2015

Sam Harris appears to be too divisive for the job.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
4. Wondered about that myself.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:52 PM
Oct 2015

Well, whoever gets the white smoke will probably have an innocuous tweet or two buried out there that will be resurrected to show what a racist, evil, misogynist the son of a bitch really is (assuming it turns out to be a man, of course--you know how viscerally anti-woman we New Atheists* are).



* There's no such thing, unless you count atheists who dare open their mouths about it.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
5. you know how viscerally anti-woman we New Atheists* are
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 08:59 PM
Oct 2015

Yes. And Ayaan Hirsi Ali doesn't really count as a woman

She is a racist warmongering neocon. Or so I heard.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
6. Surprisingly easy to find hit pieces on her, as well as
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:34 PM
Oct 2015

a host of other outspoken atheist women, yes.

Admittedly, I'm not widely read on most current atheist voices, but I'm fairly certain the pattern goes back as far as (if not further than) Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
7. What I enjoy most is the haughty dismissals of Hirsi Ali by Hazelton
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 09:41 PM
Oct 2015

Besides calling Hirsi Ali names (warmongering racist, etc), Hazelton follows by the snide remark that what croitics of Islam know about Islam could be written on the back of a playing card.

The implication being, by opposition, that lady Hazelton knows tons more than those dumb critics of Islam. I bet she wouldn't last 15 minutes faced with a David Wood or Sam Shamoun.

But it's even funnier by contrast to Hirsi Ali who was a Muslim herself. But Lesley Hazelton knows more. Much more. Lesley Hazelton is pleased with Lesley Hazelton.


 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
12. No, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is not a war-monger.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

What gave anybody that idea?:



I wonder what it is about Kissinger she admires? Perhaps it's the piles of dead bodies the policies he promoted produced, making Kissinger the world's worst living mass-murderer.

Perhaps her war promotion and employment at the notorious American Enterprise Institute may have given sane people that idea:

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At least she can meet great humanitarians while there:



I wonder if she made it to the AEI dinner:

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
15. I wonder what it is about Kissinger she admires?
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 10:09 AM
Nov 2015

I dunno....

But from what you posted all she seems to like is a book about Kissinger.

If I like a book about PolPot, does that mean I admire him?

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
16. I presume it's because her husband, Niall Ferguson, a supporter of US empire, wrote the book.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:34 AM
Nov 2015

Niall Ferguson appears to be fond of aggressive war.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/feb/20/niall-ferguson-interview-civilization

In two consecutive books, Empire and Colossus – published, not by accident, around the time of the Iraq invasion – he charted the respective imperial histories of Britain and America, concluding not only that Britain should be prouder of its colonial past, but that the world would be a better place if America imitated Victorian Britain and became a fully fledged liberal empire. Though both books were bestsellers and won Ferguson scores of new admirers, especially in the US, they also, not surprisingly, drew heavy criticism from the left....

As many of his critics have noted, Ferguson's emergence as an advocate of empire coincided with the rise of neoconservatism in the US and the drive to displace Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. (In the run-up to the war, Ferguson was a vocal supporter of invasion.) Although he became critical of US policy once the occupation took place, and now distances himself from the neocons, he remains unrepentant about his pro-war stance, arguing that the real problem was that the invasion was "botched" because of the Bush administration's failure to commit sufficient manpower and resources to it. ("The problem I constantly wrote about then was that if you invade and overthrow the bad guy, hold elections and then piss off, it doesn't work.&quot Nor does he rule out supporting similar campaigns in future. "It's all very well for us to sit here in the west with our high incomes and cushy lives, and say it's immoral to violate the sovereignty of another state. But if the effect of that is to bring people in that country economic and political freedom, to raise their standard of living, to increase their life expectancy, then don't rule it out."


I presume Ayaan Hirsi Ali met Niall Ferguson through her work at the neoconservative AEI where she was hired after her career in Dutch politics collapsed after her fraudulent past was exposed. It looked really bad for Ayaan Hirsi Ali to be a member of an anti-immigration party when she was granted asylum in the Netherlands through fraud.

Henry Kissinger attended their wedding.
 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
10. Nah. Contingency planning.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 09:41 AM
Oct 2015

Dawkins has probably been the standard bearer much like Carl Sagan or Bertrand Russell were.

I suppose it's the title of Dawkins' latest book which set off the discussion:


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AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
2. Every year at about this time....
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:25 PM
Oct 2015

...... the Great Radical Atheist rises out of the pumpkin patch to try to distribute reason to all the girls and boys....






especially with all the supernatural crap that comes out around Halloween.

mountain grammy

(27,277 posts)
3. Morality doesn't come from religion..
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:28 PM
Oct 2015

of course not. Love listening to Richard Dawkins.

"I'd rather meet some one who's good for the sake of being good rather than sucking up to an imaginary friend."

RussBLib

(9,666 posts)
13. Richard Dawkins hammers Ben Carson
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:58 AM
Nov 2015

Dawkins recently appeared on Fareed Zakaria's CNN show.

Nothing wrong with mixing a little politics and religion. I agree with Richard in that religion is one of the largest things holding humanity back, especially in the United States. I am dismayed that we pay religion such respect in this country when it should be diminished and ridiculed (if need be) at every opportunity.

Richard Dawkins hammers Ben Carson: He is a ‘disgrace’ as a doctor for promoting creationism

Prominent atheist Richard Dawkins lamented over the weekend that Republican presidential candidates were still denying that evolution was a fact.

“This fills me with despair,” Dawkins explained to CNN’s Fareed Zakaria. “This is not something you believe in or not. I mean, this is a fact. It is a fact. It’s just as much of a fact as the Earth goes around the Sun. You can’t not believe it unless you’re ignorant.”

The British biologist added that he did not believe that all of the Republican candidates were ignorant. "I believe what they’re doing is they think that they’ve got to say that in order to appeal to their constituency,” he observed. “And if that’s true, it’s deeply depressing.” Dawkins noted that Ben Carson’s belief in creationism was especially troubling because the candidate was a former neurosurgeon.

“You just told me all the Republican candidates except one don’t believe in evolution,” Dawkins pointed out to Zakaria. “I mean, that’s a disgrace. But for a very senior eminent distinguished doctor as he is to say that is even worse. Because of course, evolution is the bedrock of biology and biology is the bedrock of medicine.”

“He clearly doesn’t understand the fundamental theorem of his own subject,” he continued. “That is a terrible indictment.” "It is a form of arrogance to say we know what God does. The only way to know anything is by looking at the evidence. In this particular case, the evidence is overwhelming… In the case of evolution, there is no doubt. It is a fact.”


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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
14. Someone must have spilled a glass of water on him.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 02:31 PM
Nov 2015

As long as we don't feed any of the Dawkinses after midnight, I think we'll be OK.

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