Atheists & Agnostics
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Despite being written out of large parts of history, atheists thrived in the polytheistic societies of the ancient world raising considerable doubts about whether humans really are wired for religion a new study suggests.
The claim is the central proposition of a new book by Tim Whitmarsh, Professor of Greek Culture and a Fellow of St Johns College, University of Cambridge. In it, he suggests that atheism which is typically seen as a modern phenomenon was not just common in ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome, but probably flourished more in those societies than in most civilisations since.
As a result, the study challenges two assumptions that prop up current debates between atheists and believers: Firstly, the idea that atheism is a modern point of view, and second, the idea of religious universalism that humans are naturally predisposed, or wired, to believe in gods.
The book, entitled Battling The Gods, is being launched in Cambridge on Tuesday (February 16).
http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/disbelieve-it-or-not-ancient-history-suggests-that-atheism-is-as-natural-to-humans-as-religion
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)onager
(9,356 posts)As the subtitle hints. The whole title of her book is...
Doubt: A History: The Great Doubters and Their Legacy of Innovation from Socrates and Jesus to Thomas Jefferson and Emily Dickinson
One neat point she makes: you know the Buy-bull verse atheists are always having thrown at us, "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God?"
Hecht says that just proves non-believers were around and active in the Bronze Age. And already pissing off the believers.
And just like today, when they couldn't logically refute the arguments, they resorted to name-calling.
Hope I'm remembering this right, but maybe not and someone will correct me: IIRC, Hecht mentions one woman in medieval Italy who was a natural atheist. Had learned no knowledge of god, never had any such knowledge, just wasn't interested in any gods. When an Inquisition court asked her how the stars etc. came into existence, she said they had probably always been there. She was burned at the stake.
http://www.amazon.com/Doubt-Doubters-Innovation-Jefferson-Dickinson/dp/0060097957
Brainstormy
(2,429 posts)I return to it often. Could you be thinking of Hypatia?
onager
(9,356 posts)I'm probably thinking of another book. That story is really bugging me now and I'm going to try and find it.
Hypatia was murdered around 415 CE...without any kind of a trial. She was dragged out of her chariot by a mob of fanatical Xian monks and hacked to death. Probably slowly, with sea-shells.
The place of her murder is a very famous spot in Alexandria. According to tradition she was killed right in front of the Caesareum, the building built by Cleopatra VII to honor Julius Caesar. And where Cleopatra herself died.
I lived in Alexandria, Egypt for about 4 years. So I can bore people to death with trivia about it. And often do, right in this very group.
Here's a good article about Hypatia:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/womens-history/hypatia-ancient-alexandrias-great-female-scholar-10942888/?no-ist
NeoGreen
(4,033 posts)... to "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God..."
"...for the wise man person says it out loud."
Brainstormy
(2,429 posts)My Secular/Humanist Book club is doing David Silverman's Fighting God next month. Seems like the gods are under attack lately.
lindysalsagal
(22,391 posts)I heard him speak about it. Show the lectures to the group. He's awesome.