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mr blur

(7,753 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:37 AM Mar 2016

Ken Ham: Noah Probably Had More Sophisticated Tools than We Do Today

Do you remember the post I wrote a few months ago about young earth creationism and Noah’s ark? The point I wanted to make was that young earth creationists like Ken Ham view images that depict the ark as a small boat with pastel colored animals sticking their heads out of portholes as part of a conspiracy of sorts to downplay the legitimacy of the Noah’s ark story. After all, if that is people’s public image of Noah’s ark, they’re predisposed to assume that the could never have happened the way it’s written in the Bible, and to see it as a fairy tale. Today I want to draw your attention to a blog post written by Ken Ham that plays on exactly this theme. In it, he responds to objections concerning his new Noah’s ark theme park.

1. Why aren’t you using the tools Noah used?1 Where are we ever told what tools Noah used? There is no mention in the Bible or even any hint as to what specific tools Noah used. So the answer is, we don’t know what the tools were—no one knows!

I noted in my previous post that young earth creationists argue that Noah may actually have had access to more sophisticated technology than we have, in part due to their high intelligence—after all, the reasoning goes, there would have been as yet little time for mutations to build up following the creation of the perfect man, so Noah and his compatriots were likely more intelligent than we are today.

Take a look:

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More here

You see, The Wholly Babble never says that Noah didn't use lasers, anti-grav platforms and nuclear power to build his giant wooden barge so ... he probably did because Noah was a 900-year-old engineering genius. Because no-one ever said that he wasn't.

In other news, Jebus probably used a hoverboard to 'walk' on the water, because it desn't say in the Babble that he didn't.

This Creationist stuff is easy! No wonder it's popular.
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Ken Ham: Noah Probably Had More Sophisticated Tools than We Do Today (Original Post) mr blur Mar 2016 OP
Wait. What happened to Noah's technology after the flood? DetlefK Mar 2016 #1
That tech apparently sank and no one was able to recreate it....NT nil desperandum Mar 2016 #11
... trotsky Mar 2016 #2
Wtf... beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #3
"Actually, there are records going back over 2,000 years of ancient wooden ships as big... mr blur Mar 2016 #9
He may had had a laser leveler.... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #4
Is that a normal sized middle finger... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #8
And Home Depot was so much better stocked in those days. n/t Binkie The Clown Mar 2016 #5
The scariest part of this Curmudgeoness Mar 2016 #6
How do you know, Ken? Were you there? (nt) pokerfan Mar 2016 #7
but ... but ... but rurallib Mar 2016 #10

DetlefK

(16,455 posts)
1. Wait. What happened to Noah's technology after the flood?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:15 AM
Mar 2016

All this technological knowledge about mechanics, forces, levers, whinges, cogs, cranes... What happened to that knowledge? Why did Noah's successors no longer have that knowledge for millennia to come?

Even if the mankind of the year 2016 lost all of its technology in an apocalyptic event and were thrown back to Bronze-Age level, we have the knowledge to rebuild and re-invent EVERYTHING within 200 years tops.
Why?
Because we wouldn't need to research those technologies. We would already know how to cast iron, how to build a steam-machine, how to calculate the statics of a building, how to build a combustion-engine, how to refine crude oil, how to vulcanize rubber, how to make plastics, how to build pumps, how to build electrochemical batteries, how to build electronics, how to build wind-mill electricity-generators, how to build electronic calculators from vacuum tubes, how to conserve food, how to fight illnesses, how to produce chemicals...
For a brief period in the 1950s there were computers who were entirely mechanical!!!





And remember, we don’t know how ancient people built many of the stone structures in South America or even the remarkably constructed Egyptian pyramids.

Ramps. The super-technology they used to build the pyramids were ramps.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Wtf...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:22 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:11 AM - Edit history (1)

There’s no way Noah could have built a wooden ship that size,7 especially not by himself.

Actually, there are records going back over 2,000 years of ancient wooden ships as big and even bigger than the Ark. It’s just that we are not used to seeing such massive wooden ships today, and, therefore, many people think it couldn’t be done! Also, Noah had his three sons to help him8—and there’s no reason to doubt he would have hired people to help as well. Though many Christians are helping us build the life-size Ark in Williamstown, Kentucky, there are many contractors on site who are not Christians but who happily accepted a contract to use their expertise to work on sections of the project. In the Ark exhibit at the Creation Museum, we also suggest that Noah could have hired people to work on the Ark who may have scoffed while they worked on the project.


It links to another whackjob article written by creation scientists/historians or whatever they call themselves as if it proves this "theory":

https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/the-large-ships-of-antiquity/
 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
9. "Actually, there are records going back over 2,000 years of ancient wooden ships as big...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:25 AM
Mar 2016

...and even bigger than the Ark. It’s just that we are not used to seeing such massive wooden ships today,..."

No Ken, there aren't. Because it's not possible for a wooden ship that long to avoid cracking in the middle with the stress. Didn't Bill Nye (whose family were shipbuilders) point this out to you in your famous debate?

Oh that's right, I forgot, Nye only knows about human science not the magical, mystical Gawd Science in the Babble that requires Other Ways of Knowing to understand it.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
4. He may had had a laser leveler....
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:52 AM
Mar 2016

..... but he still isn't using a graduated rule... in Imperial or Metric. A cubit is from the tip of your middle finger to your elbow.

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