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DetlefK

(16,451 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:58 PM Apr 2016

Ken Ham's Ark-replica is damn big... which yields even more questions.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/sneak-peek-ken-ham-thinks-this-fake-dinosaur-on-noahs-ark-will-convince-you-to-trust-gods-word/

The completed ark will be about 450 feet long and 150 feet wide, and it stands about eight stories high.

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The creationist said the ark — which will be the largest timber structure in the world when it’s completed — is a “jaw-dropping experience” for visitors who have been able to see it already.

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There will be 132 exhibits on three decks at the completed Ark Encounters, which seem focused primarily on proving two of every land animal could have fit on the biblical watercraft in an effort to “teach us to trust God’s Word.”



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The Eiffel-tower is estimated to weigh 10,000 tons. Let's say that Noah indeed was super-intelligent and had super-technology that has since been lost, but...

1. Where did Noah get 1000 tons of wood? And we are not talking scrappy fire-wood. We are talking straight-grown timber you can cut into planks! In Judea!
2. How did he get that timber? Did he cut it himself? Did he buy it? Where did he get the money from? Howdid he transport that timber to the construction-site?
3. How much moss, fat and tar did it take to make that ship water-proof?
4. Where is the center-of-mass of the ship? How deep did it lay in the water? How did the Ark behave in a thunderstorm at sea? IIRC the Ark had no steering-mechanism. So what if a heavy wave happened to hit the Ark from the side?
5. How did the crew of the Ark get rid of the rain and seawater that spilled on top and inside the Ark?




And while we are at it:
- If that super-technology existed, why did people still fight with bronze-weapons? Why was such a simple technology as horse-chariots still rare? Why was there even the need for slavery? How come the Bible doesn't mention other people using that technology to build something?
- How many tons of food were needed to supply the animals for IIRC 40 days? Where and how where they stored on the Ark to prevent it from spoiling on a humid wooden ship?
- How many tons of shit did those animals produce? What system was used to clean their cages and how many people did it take to shovel all that shit?
- How much drinking-water was needed for those 40 days, how was it stored, how was it prevented from spoiling on a wooden ship full of people and animals, how was rainwater harvested, and how was the water distributed? The Ark was 450 feet long. Did people run back and forth 200 feet with 2 buckets of water each all day long?



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Did you know that Star Wars actually happened?
I can prove it!
All I need to do is build a replica of an X-Wing.
I won't use the correct technology or the correct material and I will make wild guesses how the interior actually looks, and of course the replica will in no way perform similar to the original.
But the mere fact that it's possible to build something that looks like an X-Wing will be prove that all of Star Wars is true.
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Ken Ham's Ark-replica is damn big... which yields even more questions. (Original Post) DetlefK Apr 2016 OP
The two main questions I always had SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #1
heat caused things to expand - thus longer days rurallib Apr 2016 #13
Sure. Heat expands the Earth. drm604 Apr 2016 #30
And how did all of those different animals get back to their proper continents after the flood? drm604 Apr 2016 #28
Where did all the water that covered the earth come from? Duppers Apr 2016 #2
Oh, well that's easy. Pakhet Apr 2016 #20
So where did all that water go afterwards? drm604 Apr 2016 #29
Yeah. No answer to that one. But c'mon Pakhet Apr 2016 #31
Building that monstrosity actually highlights the absurdity of the story! cleanhippie Apr 2016 #3
You folks have this all wrong. trotsky Apr 2016 #4
Getting the wood was probably easy enough... SeattleVet Apr 2016 #5
Old Myron Cohen joke. A HERETIC I AM Apr 2016 #7
Yep... SeattleVet Apr 2016 #11
Blasphemers! progressoid Apr 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2016 #10
Just let it go. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2016 #18
Your story contains ignorance, not reason. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2016 #27
Oh, you silly, silly atheists! Curmudgeoness Apr 2016 #12
But if "God-did-it" is the explanation, then the Ark-replica proves nothing! DetlefK Apr 2016 #14
How about a T.I.E. fighter (advanced) or AT/ST to scale... NeoGreen Apr 2016 #19
Did YOU know that Star Wars inspired the religion Jediism? DetlefK Apr 2016 #23
Yeah...yeah...but it doesn't work for me... NeoGreen Apr 2016 #24
Start from the top... NeoGreen Apr 2016 #15
So..... AlbertCat Apr 2016 #16
The bigger the better. Curmudgeoness Apr 2016 #21
The answer to most of your questions is pretty simple really Major Nikon Apr 2016 #22
The wood came from Weyerhauser. Everybody knows that. onager Apr 2016 #25

SCantiGOP

(14,201 posts)
1. The two main questions I always had
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

1- How did he get to Antartica to get penguins, Australia to get emus and kangaroos, the New World to get buffaloes, etc etc

2- What did the animals eat when they got off the ark. I realize their answer is God had intervened to make all the animals friendly while they were sharing the ark (I've even heard theories all animals were herbivores before the flood) but the only thing the carnivores could have eaten were the other animals getting off the ark.

I do fully realize this is as pointless and frustrating as when I argued with one of my children that the days were not longer in the summer because it was hot (they had just learned in school that heat caused things to expand).

Duppers

(28,244 posts)
2. Where did all the water that covered the earth come from?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:14 PM
Apr 2016

And it supposedly just evaporated and collected where? Space?


Pakhet

(520 posts)
20. Oh, well that's easy.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:15 PM
Apr 2016

According to creationists I've talked to, it never rained prior to the flood. The rain came when the ring (layer) of moisture that surrounded the planet was miles deep and that moisture layer is what fell to the earth as rain so we don't don't have that layer of moisture anymore.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
29. So where did all that water go afterwards?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

If it was enough to flood the entire surface, where did it go?

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
3. Building that monstrosity actually highlights the absurdity of the story!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

Anyone with more than two functioning brain cells would be able to comprehend that such a project was never undertaken or even plausible.

Then again, look at the target audience and it all becomes clear.

SeattleVet

(5,582 posts)
5. Getting the wood was probably easy enough...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:26 PM
Apr 2016

Just run down to the local Manger Depot and place an order for the number of cubits needed.

They's contract out to the loggers in the Sahara Forest to cut to order, then have it go out by ship.

(Some will probably claim that the Sahara is a desert. Well, yeah, NOW it is - after they cut down all of the trees to make the freaking ark!)

A HERETIC I AM

(24,581 posts)
7. Old Myron Cohen joke.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

Little tiny fella goes to apply for a job as a Lumberjack.

Foreman asks "Do you have any experience?"

"Sure", says the little guy. "Ever hear of the Sahara Forest?"

"Wait a sec" says the foreman, "Don't you mean the Sahara Desert?"




"Sure......NOW...."

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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
26. Your story contains ignorance, not reason.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

Why not just have a sub pop up and take readings? Because a sub cant get 5, 10, 20, or 30,000 feet into the atmosphere to take readings of the entire storm that meteorologists need to be as accurate as possible about said storm.

Reason based in ignorance isn't reason. And if this story is an example of you "interjecting high reason" into the discussion, I'm not sure your really know what the word even means.

Response to cleanhippie (Reply #26)

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
12. Oh, you silly, silly atheists!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:32 PM
Apr 2016

Don't you know not to question God.

The answer to all of your questions is: God took care of it all.

Jeez.

DetlefK

(16,451 posts)
14. But if "God-did-it" is the explanation, then the Ark-replica proves nothing!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:05 AM
Apr 2016

"See? This X-Wing replica is evidence how the story is entirely realistic."
"But the replica doesn't explain the unrealistic parts of the story."
"The Force."
"But..."
"THE!!! FORCE!!!"

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
24. Yeah...yeah...but it doesn't work for me...
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 09:50 AM
Apr 2016

...without a functional Light-Saber.

But if you were to gimme a green kick-ass light-stick of awesomeness then I'd be all there suckus'

NeoGreen

(4,033 posts)
15. Start from the top...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 07:20 AM
Apr 2016

...why an arc?

If you need all that magic to keep the lions from eating the gazelles for forty days why not just grow a mountain where all the animals can live above the flood. Make a magical Doors of Durin that only Noah, and his soon-to-be incestuous ilk, can pass through to get to the mountain.

Easy-peasy, no Sahara Forest™ required.

Then again, why were the Cetacea (whales), Craniata (fishes) and Cephalopoda (Octpodes) all exempt from god's wrath? (Not to mention the bacteria and viruses.)

Have you ever seen coral and or salmon spawn? Ewweww.



Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
21. The bigger the better.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:50 PM
Apr 2016

How will Ham get all of that attention if he doesn't make it HUUUUUGGGGGEEEEE!

Wasn't Ham one of the bad guys in the Bible? Cast out. Funny that this guy has the same name.

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
22. The answer to most of your questions is pretty simple really
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

It took Noah about 100 years to build the ark, so all the logistical and technical details could have easily been worked out.

onager

(9,356 posts)
25. The wood came from Weyerhauser. Everybody knows that.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 08:20 AM
Apr 2016

Well, everybody who watched the awesomely realistic TV mini-series "Noah's Ark" from 1999 does, anyway. With Jon Voight, Mary Steenburgen, and James Coburn as "Pirate Who Miraculously Survived Great Flood But Is Not Mentioned In Bible."

While Noah and his sons are busy hammering away on the Ark, we see them toting planks clearly stamped WEYERHAUSER.

In another scene, Noah's daughter-in-law is cuddling a cute baby Koala Bear. It suddenly takes a giant shit, right in her lap.

That Koala was one astute movie critic.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168355/?ref_=nv_sr_2

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