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edhopper

(34,724 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:57 PM Apr 2016

My Passover GD thread was hiden

because stating something that is obviously mythical didn't happen i9s offensive.
Another "now is not the right time" bs. At least some of the jurors got it.
I wasn't trying to be insulting, it was meant to discuss the importance of a mythical event. That claimning that simple fact is an affront to peoples religion is ludicrous.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027776088

Happy Passover to Jewish DUers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027776088

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is absolutely tasteless (and that is the best thing I can say about it). If you want to insult someone about their religion I suppose that is fine (note I am an atheist but not an ass-hole so I don't even see the pint in that). Posting what appears to be holiday greetings and well wishes to insult people is beyond the pale and not what DU should be about.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:49 AM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: "absolutely tasteless" Exactly. actually intentionally insulting to some DUers
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unnecessary and disruptive. Rather rude as well. Hide.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Tasteless, I agree. But, it's an opinion and not a TOS violation. No personal attack.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Fine, you have your opinion and you don't have to be a jackass on this holy day.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wrong forum to be this obnoxious
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Discussions about the effects of religious mysticism on civilization should be de rigueur, and I consider it a learning experience, while also adding vibes for a Happy Passover to my Jewish friends.

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My Passover GD thread was hiden (Original Post) edhopper Apr 2016 OP
Looks like someone has it out for you. itsrobert Apr 2016 #1
No I am neutral edhopper Apr 2016 #2
I'm de-lurking just to say this jury alert crap has gotten out of control spiderpig Apr 2016 #3
Thanks edhopper Apr 2016 #4
Ed, those that choose to believe absurdities hate it when absurdities are pointed out as absurd. cleanhippie Apr 2016 #5
Don't I know it. edhopper Apr 2016 #6
You broke the commandment that we must all respect religious belief DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #7
Oh my stars and garters edhopper Apr 2016 #8
Contrary religious ideas are acceptable DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #9
I should have said edhopper Apr 2016 #10
Ah, yes. DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #11
"actually intentionally insulting to some DUers"? mr blur Apr 2016 #12
Here are the results of your other "controversial" post :) Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #13
wow edhopper Apr 2016 #14
Reality... uriel1972 Apr 2016 #15
One other annoying thing about this topic... onager Apr 2016 #16
Cool stuff edhopper Apr 2016 #17
When "Rome" was on HBO... onager Apr 2016 #20
That is so cool (I keep using that word) edhopper Apr 2016 #21
Well, obviously they needed a better guide. mr blur Apr 2016 #18
Jews are notoriously poor campers edhopper Apr 2016 #19
What do you mean "ridiculous"??? Curmudgeoness Apr 2016 #22
you are right edhopper Apr 2016 #23
Is it any wonder where blasphemy laws come from? trotsky Apr 2016 #24
Thank God for that edhopper Apr 2016 #25
That was a stupid hide. Gore1FL Apr 2016 #26

edhopper

(34,724 posts)
2. No I am neutral
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apr 2016

and stay out of GDP. I would vote for either in the general.

I just think challenging anything religious, no matter how ridiculous, gets people's ire up.

Look, there are people now on GD actually defending Homeopathy, so I guess telling them Moses isn't real is too much for some.

spiderpig

(10,419 posts)
3. I'm de-lurking just to say this jury alert crap has gotten out of control
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

I don't post anymore & I'm sick of being tagged to judge people for expressing themselves. So there mods.

edhopper

(34,724 posts)
4. Thanks
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:16 PM
Apr 2016

I knew i was on shaky grounds because people are oversensitive about religion. at least it was a close vote.

edhopper

(34,724 posts)
6. Don't I know it.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

But think about it, people get upset with the GOP for denying Climate Change, but pointing out this fairy tale for what it is is verboten.

DavidDvorkin

(19,873 posts)
7. You broke the commandment that we must all respect religious belief
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

No matter how silly.

It's observed, um, religiously on DU.

DavidDvorkin

(19,873 posts)
9. Contrary religious ideas are acceptable
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

But pointing out the silliness of any religious idea causes the pitchforks to appear.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
12. "actually intentionally insulting to some DUers"?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:14 PM
Apr 2016

Hey, they're the one who believe in supernatural nonsense!

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
13. Here are the results of your other "controversial" post :)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 05:00 PM
Apr 2016

On Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

It's Passover 5776 and Moses still isn't real
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218227671

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Thread whose only purpose is to bait Jewish DU'ers. Moses is not real. Slaves in Egypt never happened. If it did what about all those dead Egyptians? Totally OTT and rather nasty as well.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:24 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Key word that gets overlooked a lot on juries, "post is inappropriate". A post doesn't have to be evil or racist to deserve hiding and preserve some semblance of civility. This one is about as inappropriate as I can think of on Passover. So much for the "tolerance" of progressives if this is allowed to stand.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nothing at all wrong with questioning religious beliefs.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Well, it is the Religion group, which is for discussing ... religion. The Bible is obviously mythology, so it's not outrageous to say that Moses is not real. If someone thinks that Moses IS real, he or she is welcome to produce evidence to support that claim. Ed is not "baiting" Jewish DUers -- he dislikes all the Abrahamic mythologies, including Christianity.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I wish we could spend more time calling things what they are, rather than hiding them.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
15. Reality...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

is the turd in the swimming pool of public myth-making.
I discovered this in a Prince thread the other day.

onager

(9,356 posts)
16. One other annoying thing about this topic...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:30 AM
Apr 2016

As I've ranted before - there's a rich and real historical story about Egypt and the Jews, hidden behind all the mythical glurge about raining frogs etc.

Here are a couple of places to find some of it:

Merneptah Stele - the first direct mention of "Israel" in Egyptian history. Pharaoh Merneptah was the son of Ramses II. The Stele is a straightforward account of a military expedition dealing with various insurgencies, first in Libya then in Palestine.

The Stele brags that "the seed of Israel is crushed. It is no more." Pretty funny, since the seed of Israel today is exactly where it always was. And still annoying the Egyptians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele

The Alexandrian Wars, Julius Caesar:

Relief for the Romans came from Mithridates of Pergamum and Antipater from Judea. A final pitched battle was fought on the west side of the Nile River with Caesar victorious and Ptolemy drowning while attempting to cross the river.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Alexandria_(47_BC)

Antipater was the father of Herod The Great. He not only sent Julius Caesar badly needed money, but 3,000 Jewish soldiers.

Later, Cleopatra tried repeatedly to take over Judea/Palestine and attach it to Egypt. The Romans put a stop to that. They thought Cleopatra was quite powerful enough already, thank you very much. And they liked the idea of having Judea ruled by a local kinglet like Herod. Especially a kinglet who owed his power to the Romans and wasn't likely to rock the boat. Political boat-rocking being one of Cleopatra's specialties.

edhopper

(34,724 posts)
17. Cool stuff
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:06 AM
Apr 2016

What? No mention of all those Jewish slaves under Ramses?

I remember that Caesar/Ptolemy battle in the HBO series Rome.

onager

(9,356 posts)
20. When "Rome" was on HBO...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

I was living in Alexandria. Would downl...er, watch the show. Then go out and try to find real places around the city that sort of matched what they were covering in the series. A fun exercise.

The battle where Julius Caesar nearly drowned was easy. That happened around the Pharos Lighthouse. Marked today by a big 15th-century fort built right on the ruins of the Lighthouse.

One thing that bugged me, and I could be mistaken since it's been a while: when they showed Cleopatra and Marc Antony in her palace, it always appeared to be set in a desert. Lots of sand and desolation.

Maybe that was a secondary palace or something. But AFAIK, they were holed up at the Caesareum - the palace she named for Julius Caesar, which was right in the middle of the city.

In the photo below, the Caesareum was to the right, where all those palm trees stand. Nowadays the site is a public park and major streetcar interchange called Ramleh Square. Just out of frame is a large statue of revolutionary leader Sa'ad Zaghloul. And behind him, on the same plinth, a big statue of Cleopatra:

edhopper

(34,724 posts)
21. That is so cool (I keep using that word)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

I think Rome was hung on historical fact but not trying to be precisely accurate. Sometimes the story took dominance.

edhopper

(34,724 posts)
19. Jews are notoriously poor campers
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016


But I know, they could have just followed the Mediterranean for a few miles and Bob's your uncle.

Is there no aspect of this story that isn't ridiculous? And yet people are pissed at saying that.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
22. What do you mean "ridiculous"???
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

Don't tell me that you think that the parting of the Red Sea so that all the Jews could get across is ridiculous!

And I don't want to hear about how ridiculous it is to strike a rock and provide water for the masses.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
24. Is it any wonder where blasphemy laws come from?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:12 AM
Apr 2016

Religious beliefs are special and must be protected not just from criticism, but from any hint of disagreement.

I guess you should be grateful you don't live somewhere where the same person upset with your post would just hunt you down and chop you up with a machete.

Gore1FL

(21,821 posts)
26. That was a stupid hide.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

There are more violations by juries than there are hide-worthy posts, it seems.

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