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How Irrational Can Religion Get? (Original Post) progressoid Aug 2016 OP
Those people don't really understand science and evolution. Tobin S. Aug 2016 #1
"I invite Mr Darwin to try God." Iggo Aug 2016 #3
She thinks... rexcat Aug 2016 #13
The ignorance comes from fear. Oneironaut Aug 2016 #11
All the irrational. (n/t) Iggo Aug 2016 #2
Infinitely. elleng Aug 2016 #4
God made us in his image AlbertCat Aug 2016 #5
Religion is philosophically incompatible with the mere existence of "evidence". DetlefK Aug 2016 #6
If the Bible said 2 + 2 = 5, I'd approach every Christian I know and say... SwissTony Aug 2016 #7
"are you saying god is just an animal?" awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #8
He was really ... really ... proud! He done scored him a zinger!! immoderate Aug 2016 #9
The pride of stupidity... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #10
That was painful... rexcat Aug 2016 #12
We've got to stop making technology easier to use. Enabling luddites never ends well. Freelancer Aug 2016 #14

Tobin S.

(10,420 posts)
1. Those people don't really understand science and evolution.
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 02:48 PM
Aug 2016

They've also probably never read Darwin or read anything about Darwin that wasn't given to them by other Christians.

If you are a creationist, your life is largely lived in fantasy land.

Oneironaut

(5,768 posts)
11. The ignorance comes from fear.
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 02:07 PM
Aug 2016

They're afraid that their religious values may be disproven if they learn about evolution. They're afraid of the cognitive dissonance of holding onto beliefs they know cannot be true.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
5. God made us in his image
Tue Aug 9, 2016, 08:15 PM
Aug 2016

God is overweight?????

Hey creationists.... just because you don't get it, doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't.

DetlefK

(16,455 posts)
6. Religion is philosophically incompatible with the mere existence of "evidence".
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 06:37 AM
Aug 2016

1.
There is only God and God's will.
Evidence existing outside of that, independent of God's will, would mean that there is something that is not subject to God's will. And that violates a basic tenet of religion.

As such, there is no evidence independent from God that could be used as a basis for a rational argument about God. You cannot debate whether God exists when the premise of all assumptions is that God exists.



2.
Science treats empirical fact as dominant over theory. For religion and magic, it's the other way round. If your experiment says one thing and the book says another thing, then there must be something wrong with your experiment.



3.
Just as religion is philosophically incompatible with the existence of independent evidence, IMO science is incompatible with a concept such as God.
Science deals with repeatable, objective experiments, but God is unique and can change his behavior at will. It is impossible to prove or disprove claims about God with experiments, because God does not meet the philosophical assumptions of the scientific method.

On the other hand... If something cannot be proven/disproven by a witness in any experiment under any circumstances, does that thing even have an attribute such as "existence" or "non-existence"?

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
7. If the Bible said 2 + 2 = 5, I'd approach every Christian I know and say...
Wed Aug 10, 2016, 09:48 AM
Aug 2016

"Hey, can you give me $5? I'll give you two $2s."

Estimated number who would agree to do so: zero.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
8. "are you saying god is just an animal?"
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 05:31 PM
Aug 2016

No, dumbass, I'm saying he doesn't exist. Oh, that smug look on his face when he said that. It was like "let's see you top that brilliance, idiot"

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
10. The pride of stupidity...
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:53 PM
Aug 2016

I saw a similar look on a co-workers face when he said "if we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?" I just walked out of the room before my IQ dropped. It is moments like this that I wish I would just memorize the game show scene from Billy Madison.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
12. That was painful...
Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:42 PM
Aug 2016

obviously critical thinking is not a part of their being. Where I live I am surrounded by people like this so not a big surprise here.

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
14. We've got to stop making technology easier to use. Enabling luddites never ends well.
Wed Aug 17, 2016, 12:34 PM
Aug 2016

Selling cans of spray paint at the entrance of a museum -- what could possibly go wrong?

Fundamentalists of every ilk are using the devices and communications networks created by people with knowledge to disseminate ignorance. It's damaging to our prospects as a species, IMO. If the world ending asteroid (that almost certainly IS out there) shows up and we've dragged our feet arguing about whether Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs, I'd be pissed at fundamentalists, for sure, but even more so at all the technological enabling that allowed their ideas to propagate.

End of this week's post-middle-aged rant.

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