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HAB911

(9,362 posts)
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 07:35 AM Oct 2016

Anything is acceptable in the name of religion

Killing 50,000+ chickens, goats, and Jesus in the name of forgiveness

What do chickens, goats, and Jesus all have in common? If they are killed in the right way, your sins can be forgiven.

Kapparot, the ritual slaughter of chickens, coincides with Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, October 11-12 this year. Participants and PETA estimate that 50,000 chickens will be slaughtered in Brooklyn alone. The bird carcasses are supposedly donated to the poor, though they are often thrown in the trash. [WARNING: There is video evidence of the birds being thrown away, but it is disturbing. It shows bloody, dying birds on the ground, and trash bags full of dead chickens being thrown in a dumpster. It also shows the actual killing of the birds.]

For the ritual, Hasidic Jews grab a chicken by the wings and swing it around their heads three times to transfer their sins to the bird. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, while swinging the birds, the soon-to-be-redeemed supplicants chant, “This be my substitute, my vicarious offering, my atonement. This cock [or hen] shall meet death, but I shall find a long and pleasant life of peace!” If you know religion, you should know what comes next. The bird is ritually slaughtered. The slaughterer is vicariously redeemed—cleansed of all sins.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/freethoughtnow/killing-50000-chickens-goats-and-jesus-in-the-name-of-forgiveness/

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Anything is acceptable in the name of religion (Original Post) HAB911 Oct 2016 OP
Sounds hard on the poor chook Warpy Oct 2016 #1
And I suppose.... AlbertCat Oct 2016 #2
It is interesting when religion and magic intersect. Nitram Oct 2016 #3
I loathe anything that uses a scapegoat. SusanCalvin Oct 2016 #4
So... they can't eat the bird after this? Freelancer Oct 2016 #5
The vast majority of Jews don't do this sakabatou Oct 2016 #6
Oh, I'm sure they don't HAB911 Oct 2016 #7
It has nothing to do with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy sakabatou Oct 2016 #8

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
1. Sounds hard on the poor chook
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 07:58 AM
Oct 2016

One thing I always appreciated about many INDN religions is the notion that the only thing you can sacrifice is yourself, hence things like the Sun Dance.

I guess that desert god made things convenient for the "nuh-uh, I aint doin' that" crowd.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
2. And I suppose....
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 10:35 AM
Oct 2016

..... there are several thick layers of theology, laboriously applied to this to make it seem like it's anything but Stone Age voodoo and cruel make-believe magic.



Religion is ridiculous.

Nitram

(24,616 posts)
3. It is interesting when religion and magic intersect.
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 01:39 PM
Oct 2016

Every religion has sects that delve into magic, even buddhism.

Freelancer

(2,107 posts)
5. So... they can't eat the bird after this?
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 03:53 AM
Oct 2016

I'm wondering why they donate or throw them away. Are they not Kosher after the sin transfer thing?

HAB911

(9,362 posts)
7. Oh, I'm sure they don't
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 01:57 PM
Oct 2016

which leads to the question.........do only 'real' jews do it and who gets to say who is and isn't?

sakabatou

(43,085 posts)
8. It has nothing to do with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy
Tue Oct 25, 2016, 08:24 PM
Oct 2016

There are different movements within the religion and one of the movements doe practice it.

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