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Related: About this forumDANIEL DENNETT'S SCIENCE OF THE SOUL
Excellent interview with the brilliant Daniel Dennett:
DANIEL DENNETTS SCIENCE OF THE SOUL
A philosophers lifelong quest to understand the making of the mind.
By Joshua Rothman
Four billion years ago, Earth was a lifeless place. Nothing struggled, thought, or wanted. Slowly, that changed. Seawater leached chemicals from rocks; near thermal vents, those chemicals jostled and combined. Some hit upon the trick of making copies of themselves that, in turn, made more copies. The replicating chains were caught in oily bubbles, which protected them and made replication easier; eventually, they began to venture out into the open sea. A new level of order had been achieved on Earth. Life had begun.
The tree of life grew, its branches stretching toward complexity. Organisms developed systems, subsystems, and sub-subsystems, layered in ever-deepening regression. They used these systems to anticipate their future and to change it. When they looked within, some found that they had selvesconstellations of memories, ideas, and purposes that emerged from the systems inside. They experienced being alive and had thoughts about that experience. They developed language and used it to know themselves; they began to ask how they had been made.
This, to a first approximation, is the secular story of our creation. It has no single author; its been written collaboratively by scientists over the past few centuries. If, however, it could be said to belong to any single person, that person might be Daniel Dennett, a seventy-four-year-old philosopher who teaches at Tufts. In the course of forty years, and more than a dozen books, Dennett has endeavored to explain how a soulless world could have given rise to a soulful one. His special focus is the creation of the human mind. Into his own he has crammed nearly every related discipline: evolutionary biology, neuroscience, psychology, linguistics, artificial intelligence. His newest book, From Bacteria to Bach and Back, tells us, There is a winding path leading through a jungle of science and philosophy, from the initial bland assumption that we people are physical objects, obeying the laws of physics, to an understanding of our conscious minds.
Dennett has walked that path before. In Consciousness Explained, a 1991 best-seller, he described consciousness as something like the product of multiple, layered computer programs running on the hardware of the brain. Many readers felt that he had shown how the brain creates the soul. Others thought that hed missed the point entirely. To them, the book was like a treatise on music that focussed exclusively on the physics of musical instruments. It left untouched the question of how a three-pound lump of neurons could come to possess a point of view, interiority, selfhood, consciousnessqualities that the rest of the material world lacks. These skeptics derided the book as Consciousness Explained Away. Nowadays, philosophers are divided into two camps. The physicalists believe, with Dennett, that science can explain consciousness in purely material terms. The dualists believe that science can uncover only half of the picture: it cant explain what Nabokov called the marvel of consciousnessthat sudden window swinging open on a sunlit landscape amidst the night of non-being.
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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/daniel-dennetts-science-of-the-soul
A philosophers lifelong quest to understand the making of the mind.
By Joshua Rothman
Four billion years ago, Earth was a lifeless place. Nothing struggled, thought, or wanted. Slowly, that changed. Seawater leached chemicals from rocks; near thermal vents, those chemicals jostled and combined. Some hit upon the trick of making copies of themselves that, in turn, made more copies. The replicating chains were caught in oily bubbles, which protected them and made replication easier; eventually, they began to venture out into the open sea. A new level of order had been achieved on Earth. Life had begun.
The tree of life grew, its branches stretching toward complexity. Organisms developed systems, subsystems, and sub-subsystems, layered in ever-deepening regression. They used these systems to anticipate their future and to change it. When they looked within, some found that they had selvesconstellations of memories, ideas, and purposes that emerged from the systems inside. They experienced being alive and had thoughts about that experience. They developed language and used it to know themselves; they began to ask how they had been made.
This, to a first approximation, is the secular story of our creation. It has no single author; its been written collaboratively by scientists over the past few centuries. If, however, it could be said to belong to any single person, that person might be Daniel Dennett, a seventy-four-year-old philosopher who teaches at Tufts. In the course of forty years, and more than a dozen books, Dennett has endeavored to explain how a soulless world could have given rise to a soulful one. His special focus is the creation of the human mind. Into his own he has crammed nearly every related discipline: evolutionary biology, neuroscience, psychology, linguistics, artificial intelligence. His newest book, From Bacteria to Bach and Back, tells us, There is a winding path leading through a jungle of science and philosophy, from the initial bland assumption that we people are physical objects, obeying the laws of physics, to an understanding of our conscious minds.
Dennett has walked that path before. In Consciousness Explained, a 1991 best-seller, he described consciousness as something like the product of multiple, layered computer programs running on the hardware of the brain. Many readers felt that he had shown how the brain creates the soul. Others thought that hed missed the point entirely. To them, the book was like a treatise on music that focussed exclusively on the physics of musical instruments. It left untouched the question of how a three-pound lump of neurons could come to possess a point of view, interiority, selfhood, consciousnessqualities that the rest of the material world lacks. These skeptics derided the book as Consciousness Explained Away. Nowadays, philosophers are divided into two camps. The physicalists believe, with Dennett, that science can explain consciousness in purely material terms. The dualists believe that science can uncover only half of the picture: it cant explain what Nabokov called the marvel of consciousnessthat sudden window swinging open on a sunlit landscape amidst the night of non-being.
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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/daniel-dennetts-science-of-the-soul
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DANIEL DENNETT'S SCIENCE OF THE SOUL (Original Post)
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
OP
Dennett is a master. If you haven't seen him debate you should search for videos.
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#2
will pursue that; have article saved. thanks for something different to think about.
northoftheborder
Mar 2017
#3
Mysterious ways, his fingerprints are everywhere if you look, yadda yadda
beam me up scottie
Mar 2017
#8
northoftheborder
(7,608 posts)1. Fascinating; brain expanding.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)2. Dennett is a master. If you haven't seen him debate you should search for videos.
We need to clone that man.
northoftheborder
(7,608 posts)3. will pursue that; have article saved. thanks for something different to think about.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)4. You're welcome. Diversions are both welcome and necessary right now.
progressoid
(50,753 posts)5. Somebody gave me a subscription to the New Yorker.
I have that issue but haven't even opened it yet. Now I have a reason to!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)6. It's a wonderful article. Enjoy!
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)7. When dualists can explain...
how something immaterial can interact with something material and not leave a trace of that interaction, then I might start listening to them.
Otherwise patterns of matter and energy is all it is.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)8. Mysterious ways, his fingerprints are everywhere if you look, yadda yadda
Disclaimer: this is the atheists and agnostics group where we like to poke fun at religion.
edhopper
(34,895 posts)9. He explains most of it
but what about James Brown and Aretha Franklin?
"Good God!"
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)10. We're on a mission from God...
edhopper
(34,895 posts)11. And what about
Sam and Dave?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)12. When I first read your post I thought you said 'Son of Dave':
Devil Take my Soul:
Another good one - Shake a Bone:
And this one was part of the soundtrack in AMC's Preacher, the video has clips from the movie 'Freaks' - Voodoo Doll:
edhopper
(34,895 posts)13. No cause
I'm a Soul Man!