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brewens

(15,359 posts)
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:01 AM Sep 25

I hear this, "God chooses imperfect men to do his perfect deeds" bullshit. Does anyone know where that came from?

The earliest we know of speech or manuscript? I'm looking a search only gives me a bunch of crap preaching exactly that.

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I hear this, "God chooses imperfect men to do his perfect deeds" bullshit. Does anyone know where that came from? (Original Post) brewens Sep 25 OP
If criminals hired an ad agency C_U_L8R Sep 25 #1
Religion is made up stuff, this is more of that. Think. Again. Sep 25 #2
I have heard personally this from evangelicals; because they continue to insist that Trump is a Messiah. flying_wahini Sep 25 #3
Usually people chosen by God have asked for forgiveness Walleye Sep 25 #4
Correct- when asked at a religious conference if he had ever prayed for forgiveness he said there flying_wahini Sep 25 #8
Yet the Christians slobber all over him, when asking for forgiveness is one of their basic tenets Walleye Sep 25 #10
Someone pulled it out of their ass. n/t Eyeball_Kid Sep 25 #5
... after being caught doing bad stuff Attilatheblond Sep 25 #12
Found this.......... Smilo Sep 25 #6
It's not that G*D chooses an imperfect man, but that he chooses all of us to do his "perfect deeds" ... marble falls Sep 25 #7
So, if I nail the doors shut on a school full of children and set fire to it... Girard442 Sep 25 #15
Actually no. Committing sin with the intention of asking forgiveness is a sin itself. The "unforgivable sin", ... marble falls Sep 25 #19
I believe it comes from the medieval church cyclonefence Sep 25 #9
Imperfect men... Raven123 Sep 25 #11
In reality atreides1 Sep 25 #13
I may have heard that recently from an apologist about the Crusades but can't find exactly that. They dance all around brewens Sep 25 #14
I have been watching "The Atheist Experience" PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 25 #16
Imperfect people use God to... keithbvadu2 Sep 25 #17
The imperfect deed mountain grammy Sep 25 #18
Watch Bad Faith! Mega Pastors wrote Trumps sermon! MartyTheGreek Sep 25 #20
Scoundrels have used it for a long time in order to justify their own outrageous behavior Warpy Sep 26 #21
Evangelical "prophets" pushing the King Cyrus shyte. Lars39 Sep 26 #22
There is a thread about the scumbag deeds of a pastor. usonian Sep 27 #23

flying_wahini

(7,985 posts)
3. I have heard personally this from evangelicals; because they continue to insist that Trump is a Messiah.
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:06 AM
Sep 25

I always answer that Jesus threw the money makers out of the Temple and warned them of a false
Prophet. They just mistook The Menace because he is truly the devils work.


Of course they love it when an atheist starts explaining the Bible to them. 😂
Adding that he is more like a false Idol for them. I mean if Gawd really existed wouldn’t HE go after his hard core followers and not the rest of us? Who is the greatest snag for Satan? Evangelicals or ordinary agnostics?

Walleye

(35,186 posts)
4. Usually people chosen by God have asked for forgiveness
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:06 AM
Sep 25

He said he’s done nothing to ask for forgiveness for.

Walleye

(35,186 posts)
10. Yet the Christians slobber all over him, when asking for forgiveness is one of their basic tenets
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:17 AM
Sep 25

It is probably the most important part of Christianity. an atheist here.

Attilatheblond

(4,260 posts)
12. ... after being caught doing bad stuff
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:29 AM
Sep 25

Does one have to pay a church for using this excuse? Like old style 'indulgences'?

marble falls

(62,018 posts)
7. It's not that G*D chooses an imperfect man, but that he chooses all of us to do his "perfect deeds" ...
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:11 AM
Sep 25

... and we are all imperfect.

He called St Paul to lead the church. A mass murdering serial killer. It drove me to distraction: it seemed like making Charlie Manson Pope. It took me years of mulling it before I understood: the Kingdom is open to all. All it requires is accepting the offer. If a murderer can lead, we all can lead.

Girard442

(6,393 posts)
15. So, if I nail the doors shut on a school full of children and set fire to it...
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:38 AM
Sep 25

...and then say I asked God to forgive and He did, it's all good?

Horseshit! With a capital horse.

marble falls

(62,018 posts)
19. Actually no. Committing sin with the intention of asking forgiveness is a sin itself. The "unforgivable sin", ...
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 12:02 PM
Sep 25

... but you are right: your example is horse shit.

cyclonefence

(4,873 posts)
9. I believe it comes from the medieval church
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:15 AM
Sep 25

which held that a sinful priest could still administer effective communion, confession, baptism--all the rites. Here is a contemporary reference (edited to add: "contemporary" as in our time, not medieval time):

“We have to be in grace to receive Communion. What about the priest who is giving us the Eucharist?” asked Gill. In the wake of news about scandals in the church, this question might be one that some of the faithful are wondering. If a priest is in a state of mortal sin, does his celebration of the sacraments continue to be valid?

“It’s still valid because if a bad priest says a Mass, it’s still a good Mass; because it’s Christ who works the sacrament. If that priest does and intends what the Church does and intends, then it is valid,” explained Father Richard Simon, host of Father Simon SaysTM on Relevant Radio®."


https://relevantradio.com/2018/08/the-holiness-of-the-priest-doesnt-affect-the-validity-of-the-mass/

If I come across a papal bull or something, I'll post it.

There's also something called "Rasputinism," which we find rampant among American protestants, which holds that the greater the sins committed, the greater the triumph of faith when the sinner repents or otherwise gets his act together.

Then there's that thing in the Bible about the prodigal son.






Raven123

(5,998 posts)
11. Imperfect men...
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:25 AM
Sep 25

… who are too lazy to try to do better or too conceited to believe they should, and who know enough about human nature convince others to play to their egos.

atreides1

(16,348 posts)
13. In reality
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:29 AM
Sep 25

Those who make this claim are pulling it out of their ass. It's basically a compilation of different Bible stories, about how God chooses ordinary or imperfect people to do astounding things.

Though the quote has been attributed to:
Rick Warren
David Young
Elizabeth George

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
14. I may have heard that recently from an apologist about the Crusades but can't find exactly that. They dance all around
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:32 AM
Sep 25

it though. To me that's what they were doing with absolution anyway.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,652 posts)
16. I have been watching "The Atheist Experience"
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 11:39 AM
Sep 25

and not only is it a hoot, but it's highly informative.

The main host over the years has been one Matt Dillahunty, who was a born-again christian for some 25 years, until he decided he wanted to become a pastor, started researching his religion and beliefs, and realized it's all b.s.

He's big on actual proof of things. Love the guy.

MartyTheGreek

(670 posts)
20. Watch Bad Faith! Mega Pastors wrote Trumps sermon!
Wed Sep 25, 2024, 12:24 PM
Sep 25

They colluded and even wrote the sermons to accept trump as King Cyrus in the Old Testament! He was a pagan but he was the means to their ends! This is all part of Project 2025! Legacy media needs to report!

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
21. Scoundrels have used it for a long time in order to justify their own outrageous behavior
Thu Sep 26, 2024, 12:33 AM
Sep 26

and usually cite the story of Lot, one of the OT's real charmers. Noah was another one. A lot of those old patriarchs were pond scum and I've always been shocked by preachers and priests who have held them up as examples of righteousness. Made me disbelieve in the authority of priests and preachers, along with a single word of that old book. Too much of ist is just plain silly, with much of it downright evil.

A lot of believers claim it's in various chapters and verses of the Book of Hebrews, but they're drawing on commentaries about that book instead of driect quotes.

As I sais, it's a great way for men to justify diddling children while they do So Much Good Work (TM). No one ever seems to think about the people they are destroying on their way to heaven.

usonian

(13,585 posts)
23. There is a thread about the scumbag deeds of a pastor.
Fri Sep 27, 2024, 12:55 AM
Sep 27
https://democraticunderground.com/100219503894
Since I had heard of him and his conversion from "The Maga gospel" of hate, I added some material on how he wised up. It took a horrendous mass murder to shock him out of the evangelomaga trance.

Few do. I believe that his Evangelical org gave him the boot.

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19504103

I heartily agree on the bullshit way "forgiveness" is used by many. To them, it's a hall pass to go do more of the same, and no notion of restoring others for the damage done. They just double down. It reminds me of the time the church sold indulgences.

Pay your way out? How orange!! Buy judges? Of course.

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