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Farmer-Rick

(11,538 posts)
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:29 AM Nov 2018

Finding nonreligious grief support and counseling

Ok, I know I'm in the bible belt and every stupid thing is tied to religion, but come on........ I have just lost my wife of 35 years and my mother within 2 months of each other so give me a break.

So, 1st I did a Google search for a grief support group. There were about 30 within 50 miles. And every single one was in a church. So, I Googled nonreligious grief support groups found beyond belief, registered and got one guy over 100 miles and a large mountain range away.

So, I called the VA. I'm a disabled vet so I get medical services there. I talked to my primary care manager who said she would get the psych department to call me. A psychiatrist doctor calls and get this, she tells me to do a Google search. What about what I said made her think I was too stupid to do a search on line? But it gets worse.

She does the search while she is on the phone with me and points out all the church based groups. I tell her I'm not religious and she points out beyond belief. At this point her tone gets abrupt and snippy. Really lady, you want to talk down to me and be rude after I just told you I have lost 2 very important people in my life? what kind of psychiatrist are you?....a bad one obviously.

So, I just told her thanks and she said to call back if I couldn't find anything. Really, oh come on, if a simple search was all I needed I would never have called. I called because I couldn't find anything....

I guess I'll call back and see what I get. If she answers, I'm hanging up.

Has anyone have any success at finding nonreligious grief support groups. And how do you handle stupid doctors?

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Finding nonreligious grief support and counseling (Original Post) Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 OP
I would look into local hospices. They sometimes have support services in the mucifer Nov 2018 #1
I never thought about Hospice Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #2
If you are successful, please share with us left-of-center2012 Nov 2018 #3
Thanks, I had a couple of those links but it was good to go back to them. Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #4
If all else fails, try to locate a personal counselor. It might cost you some sinkingfeeling Nov 2018 #5
sometimes counselors will do orleans Dec 2018 #6
I agree that just because the grief support group is located on church property No Vested Interest Dec 2018 #8
Thanks for that Farmer-Rick Dec 2018 #7
also, i want to suggest orleans Dec 2018 #9

mucifer

(24,931 posts)
1. I would look into local hospices. They sometimes have support services in the
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 08:34 AM
Nov 2018

communities. If not, they should be able to guide you to resources.

Best wishes for some healing.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
3. If you are successful, please share with us
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:13 AM
Nov 2018

I am not aware of any such groups.
You said you 'googled'.

I assume you saw these, which I found:

“The Humanist Approach to Grief and Grieving”
http://humanistgrief.com/resources.html

“Grief Beyond Belief”
http://griefbeyondbelief.org/

sinkingfeeling

(53,248 posts)
5. If all else fails, try to locate a personal counselor. It might cost you some
Wed Nov 28, 2018, 09:40 AM
Nov 2018

money, but worth it. My sister did personal grief counseling, but refused to get assistance after her husband died. She committed suicide on the third anniversary of his death.
So please get the help you need.

orleans

(35,249 posts)
6. sometimes counselors will do
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 03:28 AM
Dec 2018

group sessions for grief support.

i considered that a couple years ago but never really followed up. it was only a couple of people that did it and it was kinda hit and miss because they charged a fee for each meeting and wouldn't run a group unless x number of people were interested in attending. i couldn't make it with my weird ass work schedule.

also, you mentioned all these groups in churches. and i want to tell you that years ago, after my dad died, my mom was sent a letter from the catholic church my dad attended. my mom and i were not part of that but they were offering counseling to the families of the members of the church. and even though i was not religious or a member of the church i went because i felt i needed some help.

it was a nun who ran the group and i was on edge that first and second meeting, thinking they would try to convert me or spend the entire time talking about god, and god's will, etc. etc. and i was quite relieved and surprised when that did not happen. people shared their feelings, their experiences with losing their loved ones, their thoughts, their sorrow. the woman running the group would talk about coping skills and everyone listened to everyone's story, and shared. i found it very helpful. i remember wishing it would have been longer than the six or eight weeks.

when my mom died i should have gone to see someone (a counselor or therapist) but i couldn't afford it. i still can't. it's been nine years now, and i feel as if i've come a long way from the depths of where i've been, but it's still difficult for me.

you've gone through a tremendous life change in a very short period of time and i hope you are able to find some help coping with it and learning how to handle it. it would be nice if the v.a. offered grief counseling and grief support groups to people. i'm a bit surprised to learn that they couldn't direct you to anything specific. after all, it's not as if a death of a loved one rarely happens--we all go through this.

maybe check out or attend a few different groups that you found, even if they are in a church. listen to the stories, get what you can from it, tell your story and share your feelings. at the very least i think you will find you are not alone in your grief. if you don't like it you don't have to go back. you could try another group.

wishing you all the best.

No Vested Interest

(5,208 posts)
8. I agree that just because the grief support group is located on church property
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 02:32 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Fri Dec 14, 2018, 02:32 AM - Edit history (1)

does not necessarily mean that the support will be religiously oriented.
If a phone number or contact is available, you could call first and ask the leader if the focus is religious.
Some religious leaders are trained in grief counseling and can and will concentrate on that aspect as opposed to religious answers.

Good luck to you in your effort to get help in your need.

Farmer-Rick

(11,538 posts)
7. Thanks for that
Thu Dec 13, 2018, 08:24 AM
Dec 2018

I had visions of everyone praying for relief or putting your burdens on Jesus, or laying on of hands, which is very popular around here, or passing around a snake, another popular church activity here.

There's a nondenominational church about 40 minutes from here (that got attacked by a gunman a few years ago) that maybe more my style. I'll check them out.

Yeah, I figured the VA was all set up for grief support. I mean death is one of the expected outcomes of doing your job in the military. But I guess counseling is just too hard.

This is so much harder than I expected.

orleans

(35,249 posts)
9. also, i want to suggest
Fri Dec 14, 2018, 12:56 AM
Dec 2018

that maybe you look through some listings on amazon for books about grief.

i don't remember if you mentioned that you had looked for books or not. but i just typed in a search on amazon for grief books and there are plenty. if you find some that look good and may be helpful, you could probably order them from your library since most libraries have a borrowing system and can even request book loans from out of state. that way you don't have to be buying a ton of books if you don't want to.

also, if you do find some good ones please feel free to recommend them in this group.

i just googled a list of books on grief and found a few things you might have a look at:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33941.On_Grief_and_Grieving

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/958489.The_Year_of_Magical_Thinking

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/281890.How_To_Go_On_Living_When_Someone_You_Love_Dies

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