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arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:56 AM Jul 2016

To Bernie people of good will: Well done.

Most progressive Democratic Platform ever and an energized base. Tremendous contribution to the party, America and the world.

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To Bernie people of good will: Well done. (Original Post) arely staircase Jul 2016 OP
great to see MFM008 Jul 2016 #1
Kick and Rec!!! still_one Jul 2016 #2
Not to throw shade, but... cilla4progress Jul 2016 #3
It shows that Democrats are no longer running away from liberal ideas. annavictorious Jul 2016 #7
Thanks, good points. cilla4progress Jul 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #21
The platform does not endorse the TPP. annavictorious Jul 2016 #32
Not repudiating the TPP and endorsing the TPP in the platform are two different things. TwilightZone Jul 2016 #43
couldn't have said it better arely staircase Jul 2016 #12
If only I could rec a post! calimary Jul 2016 #17
Exactly! Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #27
Excellent point. Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #42
Exactly. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #64
One poll shows 8 or 9% of Bernie supporters will vote for TRUMP!! Laf.La.Dem. Jul 2016 #4
They never supported Bernie's ideas. annavictorious Jul 2016 #8
So now we know what percentage of his support were just fucking with the Dems. It is like the tme I arely staircase Jul 2016 #15
They are the voters who are anti-establishment and believe that Sanders is better than Trump who is w4rma Jul 2016 #52
There is no way that anyone who thinks Bernie is better than Hillary also thinks Trump is. arely staircase Jul 2016 #55
And there lies your logical fallacy. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #58
Logically fallacious but still true. nt arely staircase Jul 2016 #62
fallacious = "not true or accurate" w4rma Jul 2016 #63
but in this case, both nt arely staircase Jul 2016 #66
And 91-92% will vote for Hillary klook Jul 2016 #16
I suspect that number will increase as we get closer to November. calimary Jul 2016 #23
Not too worried about it... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #44
ONE poll. That's your first clue. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #19
At this point in '08, there were more Hillary people stating they would bullwinkle428 Jul 2016 #47
I hate Trump and will definitely vote for Bernie..but lostnfound Jul 2016 #53
Bravo Bernie!!! Haveadream Jul 2016 #5
Massive K & R. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #6
Very proud of both of them today Funtatlaguy Jul 2016 #10
Bernie won in many ways flamingdem Jul 2016 #11
We all won in many ways thanks to his accomplishments this season! Now down with the PUKES! Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #22
K & R! BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #13
This Bernie booster will follow his lead and will support Hillary! ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #14
Thank you, ChisolmTrailDem! calimary Jul 2016 #24
You're welcome, calimary! :) ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #59
I second that. Bernie and his people have done amazing things! DCBob Jul 2016 #18
Some of us are smarter than we look...as is Bernie Armstead Jul 2016 #26
No doubt. DCBob Jul 2016 #28
Welcome to Senator Sanders and his supporters NastyRiffraff Jul 2016 #20
lets hope the majority of the platform actually gets enacted retrowire Jul 2016 #25
Amen to that! Hulk Jul 2016 #33
That would be a huuuuuuuuuuuge gift for the American people Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #56
"Hillary Clinton will make an outstanding president and I am proud to stand with her here today" Sunlei Jul 2016 #29
I was going to say that all the credit belongs to Senator Sanders, but I can't believe merrily Jul 2016 #30
Sanders did a great job in this endorsement Gothmog Jul 2016 #31
There will be many threads announcing the endorsement, but this is the one I want to rec. Squinch Jul 2016 #34
Now, its time to beat that rug off the human Yam's head in November!!! (n/t) Moostache Jul 2016 #35
K&R! tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #36
Why thank you. lark Jul 2016 #37
UNITED WE STAND -----Divided We FALL-------------Thank you turbinetree Jul 2016 #38
We can DO this! Thanks to everyone who has been there in good faith. nolabear Jul 2016 #39
It's called bargaining power Warpy Jul 2016 #40
It's called compromise skepticscott Jul 2016 #46
Without bargaing power, there's no reason for a compromise Warpy Jul 2016 #48
Maybe our issue is that the Dems of recent history offer up weak policies to GreenPartyVoter Jul 2016 #67
Bernie won today and he won for US! Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #41
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #45
Thank you. Ilsa Jul 2016 #49
Let's work shenmue Jul 2016 #50
Kudos to Bernie! avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #51
Completely Agree wss2001 Jul 2016 #54
that's right barbtries Jul 2016 #57
I've never been a huge Hillary fan, but I support Bernie's endorsement bigwillq Jul 2016 #60
Original hippie semi-socialist Bernie fan here - raven mad Jul 2016 #61
Progressives are the "grassroots," not the "base." The base went for Clinton. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #65

cilla4progress

(25,981 posts)
3. Not to throw shade, but...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jul 2016

do we think the platform is really going to mean anything going forward? What has its role been in the past in terms of really being pushed and followed after the election?

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
7. It shows that Democrats are no longer running away from liberal ideas.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jul 2016

The right wing succeeded in making the word "liberal" a pejorative invective. Democrats have been running from the word for 20 years.

I think a liberal platform that is openly acknowledged as liberal is step in the right direction. Let's take the word back and be who we are.

cilla4progress

(25,981 posts)
9. Thanks, good points.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jul 2016

It definitely shows what we as Democrats stand for. In contrast to the Republicans who have now, I read, added building a wall to theirs!!

Response to cilla4progress (Reply #9)

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
32. The platform does not endorse the TPP.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't know why you're spreading misinformation. Your link does not support that outrageous claim.

TwilightZone

(28,834 posts)
43. Not repudiating the TPP and endorsing the TPP in the platform are two different things.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jul 2016

This isn't complicated.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
12. couldn't have said it better
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jul 2016

The Democratic nominee just stood on stage with Democratic Socialist. The party is officially of the Left now. Does that mean HRC is going to please all progressives all the time. Doubtful. But Bernie has been a tipping point for the party's re-embrace of outright liberalism/progressivism. Obama helped get us there (more on social issues than anything.)

calimary

(84,612 posts)
17. If only I could rec a post!
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jul 2016

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES "Let's take the word back and be who we are"!!!!

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!

NO more shitting on the word "liberal."

NO more speaking the word with a curled lip (as ghwb did at one CONvention years ago - I believe in 1988 when he won his party's nomination).

NO more equating the word "liberal" with all things bad.

NO more pussyfooting around it - which many of us felt compelled to do because the bad guys had done such a thorough job shitting all over it.

I'm a LIBERAL, dammit. DEAL with it. And TOO DAMN BAD if anyone doesn't like it.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
42. Excellent point.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016

I have been a liberal since I was 11. (Thank you Mom)

Always proud to be one!!

Laf.La.Dem.

(2,964 posts)
4. One poll shows 8 or 9% of Bernie supporters will vote for TRUMP!!
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jul 2016

How can a person who supported Bernie now vote for Trump?

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
8. They never supported Bernie's ideas.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jul 2016

They supported what they saw as insurgency. Plus, Sanders was the one who was nose to nose with the Girl during the primaries. The 9% still have the same goal: don't help the Girl win.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
15. So now we know what percentage of his support were just fucking with the Dems. It is like the tme I
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jul 2016

voted for Pat Buchannan in the GOP primary - just to fuck with the GOP.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
52. They are the voters who are anti-establishment and believe that Sanders is better than Trump who is
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jul 2016

in their minds better than Clinton. That's different from "just fucking with".

And they are probably the types of voters responsible for the Republican wave of 1996, who previously voted Democratic on economic issues.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
55. There is no way that anyone who thinks Bernie is better than Hillary also thinks Trump is.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie's real support came primarily from older white liberals and college students. There is no way in hell that Demographic supports a fascist. Period.

calimary

(84,612 posts)
23. I suspect that number will increase as we get closer to November.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jul 2016

Those who insist they'll never vote for Hillary, who collected in the Bernie camp maybe just to stir shit up, were likely never going to vote even for Bernie in the first place.

Do NOT forget this (and the kind of mentality we're up against):

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

This one's from June 25th - of LAST YEAR. They've been scheming and ratfucking since the beginning. Hell, correction: Since FOREVER.

Wounded Bear

(60,847 posts)
44. Not too worried about it...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jul 2016

There are a lot of folks out there claiming 40-60% of Bernie supporters will vote for Trump.

Yeah, Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Anybody who really supports Bernie will have nothing to do with that rich asshole. Many might go 3rd Party and that's their right, but I expect on the order of 70% + to back the Dems this fall. That will be enough.

Maru Kitteh

(29,233 posts)
19. ONE poll. That's your first clue.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jul 2016

ONE poll alone is generally a strong indicator of nothing.

The very few miscreants (it will be less than 9%) who would do such a thing were never Democrats. They are the perennial cranks and malcontents who are irrational, unrealistic and unreliable.

AND, if they are voting for Trump they're fucking idiots too. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say.




bullwinkle428

(20,643 posts)
47. At this point in '08, there were more Hillary people stating they would
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jul 2016

vote for McCain. Hopefully, the Palin pick drove most of them back in the proper corner.

lostnfound

(16,716 posts)
53. I hate Trump and will definitely vote for Bernie..but
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jul 2016

To answer your question, I think it would be people who, as their single most important issue, are sick of pay-to-play politics, and naively believe that voting for a "self funded" candidate is a way to thumb their nose at the establishment.

Funtatlaguy

(11,811 posts)
10. Very proud of both of them today
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jul 2016

That's what real statesmen act like.
Great job, Bernie.
Go Hillary!
I am now firmly With Her!!

flamingdem

(39,959 posts)
11. Bernie won in many ways
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jul 2016

and will help Hillary and all of us to get rid of the Republican mutants

Maru Kitteh

(29,233 posts)
22. We all won in many ways thanks to his accomplishments this season! Now down with the PUKES!
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jul 2016

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
20. Welcome to Senator Sanders and his supporters
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jul 2016

I know how hard it is to pivot after a hard-fought primary; I supported Hillary Clinton in 2008. But together we will win and the country will be better for it.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
25. lets hope the majority of the platform actually gets enacted
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:41 AM
Jul 2016

Step two of the political revolution is to replace the Republican controlled house and Senate!!!

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
33. Amen to that!
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jul 2016

I only donated once to Bernie, but was damn well going to do it if he was our nominee, or if he ran up debt that needed to be paid off. I did puchase a few tee- shirts.

I'm a man of very modest means. For me, $50 is $50 I don't have for groceries; but now I plan to donate that $50 to our Democratic candidate for the House who will hopefully EASILY unseat Jamie Herrera-Butler out, a spineless teabagger rubber stamp. Brian Baird put his tail between his legs and quit at the end of his term, and that worthless representative moved to Washington on our behalf for the last four years. Worthless.

One representatve at a time; one senator at a time! We need to win Congress back and take the leaderships and platforms away from the likes of chaffetz, gohmert, issa, and all the rest of these conspiracy chasing idiots.

Yes..."give me back my country's government" from these witch chasing obstructionist clowns.

Demsrule86

(71,033 posts)
56. That would be a huuuuuuuuuuuge gift for the American people
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jul 2016

There is really good stuff in there. We need to win by at least 8 points to put the house in play I hear...I think we have a better chance in the Senate...but Porter is ahead in Ohio at the moment...very close. I hope Strickland wins.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
29. "Hillary Clinton will make an outstanding president and I am proud to stand with her here today"
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jul 2016

Senator Sanders is a great benefit to the D Party. He made a very good speech today, covered everything.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. I was going to say that all the credit belongs to Senator Sanders, but I can't believe
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jul 2016

I've forgotten all my donations and fundraising efforts so quickly. Paypal sure didn't forget.

Okay, I accept some of the compliment and, either way, I thank you for it. However, that is not all that Sanders run did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280109865



Squinch

(53,202 posts)
34. There will be many threads announcing the endorsement, but this is the one I want to rec.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jul 2016

Well done, indeed.

And together let's hold Hillary's feet to the fire to implement the agenda they have agreed to.

turbinetree

(25,436 posts)
38. UNITED WE STAND -----Divided We FALL-------------Thank you
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jul 2016

Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
40. It's called bargaining power
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

and Hillary Clinton fans had better understand it because they're going to need it down the line, too.

It has worked out as I hoped from the beginning, Sanders gathering enough support (and the amount surprised even me) to be able to force a more progressive agenda onto party conservatives.

Did he get all we wanted? HELL NO, nobody ever does.

That's how politics works, though. She needed his support and his voters. He was working for us.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
46. It's called compromise
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jul 2016

Something some Sanders supporters don't think should ever have to be part of their political lives.

Warpy

(113,131 posts)
48. Without bargaing power, there's no reason for a compromise
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jul 2016

Walk into your boss's office and demand control over your working hours and how much he pays you.

See what I mean?

Now do it as the head of your union.

See what I mean?

Sanders held out until he'd gotten enough of his agenda passed to make a difference. He was able to do that because he'd beaten her in quite a few states and come very close in others.

GreenPartyVoter

(73,074 posts)
67. Maybe our issue is that the Dems of recent history offer up weak policies to
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

appease the GOP, which of course never works and so the weak right-leaning policies become further right leaning policies. I know that I would prefer strongly progressive policies to be put out there, THEN work with the GOP to carve out a compromise. This is the entire point of drafting and crafting legislation.

Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Ilsa

(62,283 posts)
49. Thank you.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

A bunch of us have hung here when it would have been easier to leave. I'm glad I stayed. I support Sec. Clinton fully, and I'm glad SBS is showing everyone that he is too.

wss2001

(81 posts)
54. Completely Agree
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

I went to one of the sessions of the Platform committee in Orlando and was really happy to see the energy and unity of the Bernie and Hillary supporters. There was very vigorous debate and not everyone agreed on everything but a lot of common ground. I'm looking forward to a great convention. A big thanks to the Bernie supporters for coming together without compromising their principles.

barbtries

(29,955 posts)
57. that's right
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jul 2016

and I am still proud to be a Bernie supporter even as I vote for, support and hopefully GOTV for Hillary. for me, it would always be this way - but i had to know that it was mathematically impossible for him to win, because i did want him to win.

thank you for being gracious

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
60. I've never been a huge Hillary fan, but I support Bernie's endorsement
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jul 2016

of her. I hope Hillary defeats Trump, despite my dislike of her.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
61. Original hippie semi-socialist Bernie fan here -
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:57 PM
Jul 2016

who is going to work her old butt of to be sure we get Hillary!

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