Du'ers who post on JPR, are you proud of the many discussions on JPR about Hillary's health?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

Is this really a legitimate discussion for supposed progressives and liberals to have? is this not a lot like the Bill Clinton has AIDS shit that was also posted on JPR.

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	Yes, I think its fine to speculate that she has dementia or MS
	4 (10%)
	No, I don't think its fine to speculate that she has dementia or MS
	2 (5%)
	I don't post on JPR and think this is fine
	5 (13%)
	I don't post on JPR and think this is not ok
	29 (73%)
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[NurseJackie]

1. It's a toxic waste hate site. I question why that site's members are here.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. a lot of defense of JPR sound like Paul RYan's defense of trump

i hate x, y, z, etc that he says, but i support him anyway.

[grubbs]

3. A nest of vipers

A pox on their houses.

[Squinch]

4. I'm waiting for their posts that say that Jill Stein is in the peak of health.

Assholes.

[geek tragedy]

5. that place is a sewer, and it attracts a lot of fringe-type sewer rats.

there are some decent people who still give that place a try (who knows why?) but in general it's a magnet for Trumpkins and other whackadoodles

their embrace of Trump as preferable to Clinton shows it never was about policy, but rather their own psychological issues.

[deathrind]

6. SMH...N/T

[ZombieHorde]

7. I've only visited the site once, and I haven't read the health posts,

but I don't see any reason to get worked up over anonymous internet posts putting down famous people.

Many US politicians cause a great deal of violence, so a few insults just doesn't seem like a big deal to me, in comparison.

[geek tragedy]

22. they're rooting for Trump over there. They've crossed a line of human decency nt

[ZombieHorde]

33. Sounds funny.

I may have to check it out later if I get bored.

[LostOne4Ever]

8. I decided not to post there any more till after the election

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#00009d]Too many people bashing the Democratic Party and openly hoping for a Trump presidency. I can't support that.[/font]

[JaneyVee]

9. FDR had polio and was in a wheelchair.

Anymore proof they arent really progressives after all.

[seaglass]

10. Between that and the list of Hillary "murders" they have completely lost their minds. Really wish

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Skinner would just PPR them instead of leaving options open to come back. So much stupidity on display.

[amuse bouche]

27. Is this about Skinner's other site..Discussionist?

Sorry, I don't understand what JPR means

[obamanut2012]

35. no

[amuse bouche]

43. You can DM it to me if you don't want to say or is it a big secret?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

76. Amuse...when

you find out, will you message me too - googled and only
found Jefferson Public Radio

Ok...did again..Jack Pine Radicals???

[amuse bouche]

86. Someone on this thread linked to it. Yes JackPine Radicals

My next question is who the hell is Jack Pine?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

90. LOL

don't you hate it here when everyone seems to know about something that you somehow missed the boat on Worse is when you are out of pocket all day and something big happened and everyone is light years ahead of you. Sometimes, it is really difficult to even find a "beginning" of an event on the internet too.

[amuse bouche]

96. And it all seemed so Cloak and Dagger

Such silliness

[amuse bouche]

88. Someone else here linked to it, so don't bother

[Gothmog]

11. Those idiots are really sick

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

12. They posted a list of people who died "knowing Hillary"

That site is for fucked up people.

[geek tragedy]

20. yep, the Arkansas Project has a new generation of hateful idiots

to buy their swill

[LanternWaste]

14. The over-the-internet diagnoses are little different than Bill Frist diagnosing Terry Schiavo

The over-the-internet diagnoses are little different than Bill Frist diagnosing Terry Schiavo. At best, it's simply empty idiocy, and at its worst, an accurate illustration of bias and low-grade bigotry.

I doubt I could continue breaking bread in a community filled with such half-witted vulgarity.

[obamanut2012]

15. I will say again: am honestly shocked at some of the DUers posting there

Some I'm not surprised at, but some really fooled me, and it's really disappointing.

[Demsrule86]

16. They also post such stuff at free republic

If it walks like a duck...

[democrattotheend]

17. What are the rules on JPR now?

Before the convention, the rule was that you had to be a Bernie supporter and continue to talk about him as an active candidate until the convention. What are the rules now? Can a Bernie supporter who supports Hillary post there, or do you have to be for Jill Stein now?

[bettyellen]

18. Basically you can't say anything nice about Hillary at all it seems- same as the Sanders

Group here it would seem- up till a week ago at least.
I feel bad for a few nice people who left here for there and hope they know as long as the don't bring that hate here they would be welcome. A few were friends. Sucks.

[democrattotheend]

21. They finally let me back into the Bernie group here!

They kicked me out in April for acknowledging that Bernie's chances were slim after New York. Finally two days ago I got a message that I was unblocked.

I didn't see any Hillary-hating posts in there. I think those have all been scrubbed or locked.

[bettyellen]

24. What I noticed was they would lock anything positive about Hillary - even quoting Sanders?!? Would

Get you a lock. And a redirect to GDP as a reason... So even Bernie couldn't say anything nice about Hillary, ha ha. I think the host got confused about which site they were at. that shit was messed up!

[VulgarPoet]

94. I wound up getting unbanned from the HRC group and was tbh a bit confused

Ditto about 3 days to a week ago

[geek tragedy]

19. if you argue why people should vote for Clinton--even if it's to keep Trump out of office-

they ban you.

little TrumpenStein's monster.

[Tom Rinaldo]

80. Not auomatically banned, but flak rises to meet you immediately

There are some posters there who say that they can understand how some living in a swing state may feel compelled to vote for Clinton to stop Trump. The official site policy accepts posts that include making a case for voting for Clinton. It is not against site rules there to say you will vote for Clinton and why (expect to be challenged by many if you do though). However those suspected of "cheer leading" for her by "extolling her virtues" as a positive choice could well get banned.

[geek tragedy]

81. so, Bernie Sanders would be banned there, no? nt

[Tom Rinaldo]

83. I indirectly made that point

Well, actually it was fairly direct. People have their ways of trying to square a circle, but if Bernie ever actually posted there himself it would probably get pretty chaotic there quickly from cognitive dissonance. I could speculate on how it might play out but it's not worth the effort to do so. I can find a fair amount of common ground with some of the posters there, but they aren't often among the more frequent posters. Bottom line, I get the point you are making.

[geek tragedy]

85. cheers nt

[Maru Kitteh]

23. The only rule now is that you cannot post anything favorable about the Democratic nominee, Hillary

If you support any candidate for president, it must be Trump, Stein, or you must persist with the irrational, fantastical delusion that somehow Senator Sanders will still become the nominee and win.

[auntpurl]

25. There's a post over there right now agreeing with Trump for inciting

Hillary's assassination. So...hateful comments about her health are not even close to the bottom of the barrel, apparently.

[Maru Kitteh]

63. Not even a bit surprised; I would expect as much from those human skid marks. n/t

[kcr]

91. I was wondering how long before that would happen

Because I knew that was coming.

[auntpurl]

98. To satisfy your curiosity

Looks like that post on JPR went up about an hour after the story broke. So, not too long. They didn't have to work up to it or anything.

[VulgarPoet]

95. What the actual fuck?

I can't even post there because my workplace's proxy flags it now-- what the actual hell happened over there? I'm honestly disappointed

[auntpurl]

97. I actually screen shotted it after I made the previous post here

because I assumed it would be removed, and I didn't want someone to accuse me of making it up.

Unfortunately, the sad thing is it has NOT been removed. It's still there, apparently a-ok for the guidelines of that community.

[VulgarPoet]

100. Could you pm that shot to me?

I want to see exactly how bad it's gotten.

[auntpurl]

105. Sent nt

[Starry Messenger]

26. I honestly think about 75% of them are paid Russian trolls.

A few people who have been around forever got sucked in by a sucker campaign of misinformation. I'm not usually a "paid poster" believer, but the level of low-count posters who proliferated here and then moved over there and are persistently posting the most heinous shit...http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html

[yardwork]

32. As usual, I agree with you.

The site is probably funded by the KGB. About half the posters there don't know that. The other half are paid trolls.

[Starry Messenger]

34. Right??

Good to see you as always.

I just can't imagine anyone not paid coming up with the level of off-the-charts nuts a lot of that stuff is.

[geek tragedy]

38. did you see that they--try to act surprised--now claimthat Sanders's most prominent black staffer

Symone Sanders was actually a Clinton spy?

Shocking that a bunch of Trumpkins, Stockholm Syndrome peddlers, and other angry white extremists would believe that.

[Starry Messenger]

41. Yes, completely sad but not shocking.

Not after the Soros!!11 accusations around Black Lives Matter.

[geek tragedy]

42. site motto is "let's take our country back"

Hmmm.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dorian-de-wind/take-our-country-back-wha_b_1099411.html

[Starry Messenger]

48. Curious isn't it? I wonder what part they want back?

[geek tragedy]

37. I don't think it's Russian trolls, just people who manifested

their mental imbalances by embracing a form of rigid dogmatism and ideological extremism that just happened to be on the left, being allowed to finally let their freak flag fly.

Which then drew in their nominally distant but actually close epistemological relations the Trumpkins.

[Starry Messenger]

44. Well, it's a heady mix.

I have a lot of left-wingers in my social media mix, and the majority of them are for Clinton, even if some of them are still very disappointed.

A very few have gone to the dark-side of weird conspiracies--I usually axe them, because life is too short.

I dunno--like I said to yardie, the breadth of strange crap they come up with for days and days just seems like a total commitment that goes beyond organic rational human response.

[geek tragedy]

45. There's a good reason why I refuse to buy into "the extreme left hates Clinton" stuff some

people push.

The sane left supports Clinton. Center-left, left of the left, doesn't matter--if they're sane, they're behind Clinton for very obvious practical reasons.

I have one adamant Buster in my feed, but he finally shut up. He wasn't a conspiracy loon, just a perennial Naderite.

To me, seems they have a psychological fixation on Clinton. Overgrown children rebelling against a mommy figure.

A lot of them are just nucking futs.

[Starry Messenger]

50. That's pretty much my experience too.

I'd like to come out of all of this without the nutbags allowed to wear the garlands of the left.

[geek tragedy]

52. "What did you do to stop Trump?"

"Nothing. I was too upset that Bernie lost the primary."

"You can leave now."

[LexVegas]

58. ...

[uponit7771]

73. +1

[fun n serious]

28. They're comsiracy theorist...

Always have been. There is not a conspiracy theory about Hillary they don't like. They're like the people who watch Fox, facts do not matter. Actually, I bet most do watch Fox

[MyNameGoesHere]

29. I don't have time for those fools, now time to dump big JPR

I'm backed up so it should be a big one.

[NanceGreggs]

30. JPR is an anti-Dem/anti-HRC hate site …

… posing as a site for “progressives”, while promoting RW talking points and sourcing material from RW publications, websites, blogs, etc.

Links are often provided to obscure websites, with the caveat ”I can’t vouch for this source” – and yet the most outlandish, ludicrous, easily-debunked stories about HRC and any number of Democrats are immediately accepted as fact, regardless of source.

You’ll often see posts saying, ”I recently read that Hillary has MS,” when it is obvious that the only place the poster read that is on JPR itself.

JPR is a classic echo-chamber, where speculation gets bounced around from one thread to another until it becomes “established fact”, merely by virtue of it having been repeated over and over until members are convinced it MUST be true, because they’ve read the same story multiple times.

Any news sources that contradict or completely debunk any anti-HRC/anti-Dem Party rumours are immediately declared not trustworthy, while RW sources are lauded as being honest and completely accurate.

It’s amazing to watch people who declared themselves as True Progressives ™ while posting on DU now touting RW sources as the be-all and end-all when it comes to what should be believed and accepted as irrefutable fact. It makes you wonder whether self-identifying as a “progressive” on a Democratic site for years ever had any validity whatsoever, or whether such posters were impostors with a very different agenda all along.

In any event, if you plan to join JPR, it is wise to have a nose-ring inserted beforehand – because you’re going to be led by it from the minute you sign-up. Questioning any anti-HRC/anti-Dem “facts” proffered by RW sources – or simply fabricated by fellow JPR members – will result in being labelled as a blaspheming heretic who refuses to drink the Kool-Aid, and must be dealt with accordingly.

[msanthrope]

39. Notice the ones trying to skitter back under the tent flap, like they never left? nt

[NanceGreggs]

40. Oh, yeah.

A lot of them skittered off to JPR with their same DU user names, apparently under the impression that no one would notice.

[msanthrope]

51. That was slick. nt

[cwydro]

56. Some profited off the generosity of DU members during gofundme drives.

Then turned around and trashed DU.

Then came back again...acting all sweet and nice. I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed.

[msanthrope]

78. Yeah.... I'm still a little raw on that issue. nt

[Squinch]

101. That really pisses me off.

And let me make one correction: they came back sweet and nice, and THEN, AGAIN went over there and posted "Hillary can fuck herself" crap. And THEN, AGAIN, came back here every so sincerely calling for "unity."

[DemonGoddess]

71. ^^^This!!!

[Kathy M]

31. I never knew about JPR site , saw it referenced here .

Have visited a couple times , do not have account ... so no posting . JPR seems from the couple times I have been there people feeding off of each others disappointment and anger at everything / everybody ........

Wanted to add was kinda surprised seeing some of the things they are using for references ..... very RW

[Bill USA]

36. it's never good to mistake religion for ideology

[Warren Stupidity]

46. Horrible posts abound on all boards.

People post horrible stuff. Even here.

[geek tragedy]

47. Both sidesism. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

57. Not to that degree they don't.

[GulfCoast66]

62. Nice try.

They are in the sewer. Try most of that shit here and it would be your last post.

[Demsrule86]

79. No people don't.

Some post sneaky attacks here but we know who they are. We have mods and rules thankfully that are fair. The reason some are back here and so want to be able to support the Greens and Stein on this site is that JPR has to be the most boring site on the internet. Basically, they post all the crap from the Freepers in a less interesting way...think about that! They are more boring than the Freepers...how low can you go? DU is the best site on the internet...I have looked at every progressive website I can find...and most of the regressive ones (know the enemy). There is no doubt that DU is the best site out there...that is the reason why JPR has modeled their site on this one. But I consider JPR a failure in terms of interest and enjoyment or even learning something new which happens everyday here.

[kcr]

92. Not even close.

Nice try, though.

[Squinch]

102. Lol.

[MohRokTah]

49. Even FreeRepublic is not as much of a hate site as Jeckass Laughingstocks. eom

[cwydro]

53. I don't go to that site at all, so I've no idea what this is about.

From what I've heard, it's a bitter place with bitter people, and it seems to be circling the drain.

Who the fuck cares?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

54. What a sorry mess.

I signed up on JPR shortly after it was created because I was disheartened and depressed by all the crap being heaped on Sanders supporters on DU. For awhile it seemed like a pretty good refuge from all that. However, after it became uncontrovertibly obvious that Hillary had the nomination in the bag, it took a darker turn - and it got even worse after Bernie endorsed her (which he always was going to do). Like most Sanders supporters I was a bit disappointed but not at all surprised at the outcome. I always figured she'd eventually win but I was hoping Bernie could at least influence the platform in favor of the progressive movement. I think that's all he ever expected to do when he decided to run, and his ultimate popularity exceeded even his expectations. As far as I'm concerned Bernie absolutely succeeded, and when he endorsed Hillary I decided, even despite my misgivings, that if she's good enough for Bernie she's fine with me, and now the crucial thing is to defeat Trump.

That, however, was not the attitude at JPL, so I rarely even read it and stopped posting altogether. Bernie himself is now a sellout, and Hillary is the most horrible candidate ever. It's bizarre and I don't get it - there are DU posters (former and some current) whose names I recognize who are posting some of the nastiest and weirdest stuff about Hillary. I thought of saying something but I figured if I said anything even slightly positive about her they'd ban me as a sellout like Bernie. Go figure. It makes me sad, though. The original Jackpine Radical, the DUer after whom the site was named, was an ardent progressive, but he also seemed to be a gentle soul. I wonder what he would think of what's become of the site named for him?

[Locrian]

77. My take as well

I thought at first it might be another progressive site. But no... it's full of hate and conspiracy.

I have a person I work with (white young male) that is the physical representation of that site: previously Sanders all the way, then turned to hate and bile when Hillary was selected. Now he's a trump "supporter" - more accurately a "disrupter".

Not so much of a Bernie or bust but "I hate Hillary" type. Psychologically, he's a misogynist - narcissist. I think that is the root of a lot of it: as much as they claim identity politics for Hillary, they cannot STAND the thought of "losing". To them it's a direct attack on their image and they are willing to turn a blind eye to anything trump says / does since he is their only other option.

It's classic argument to protect reputation - emotionally driven but they completely believe they are the only ones using "logic".

Truly scary assholes.

[Bleacher Creature]

55. Here's one that might actually be worse.

http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/trumps-joke-about-clinton-and-the-second-amendment-should-force-him-out/#post-118970

[geek tragedy]

59. As I said upthread, sewer rats nt

[Arazi]

60. Oh my fucking god. DU is obsessed. Stawp the bullshit spam about it

Honestly some posters are so fucking wrapped up in bashing the place, they're exposing themselves as secret lovers.

Posters there too as trolls I'd bet $$ on it

[Maru Kitteh]

64. If it rattles you that bad, use your "trash thread" feature. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

68. Lol no.

[Squinch]

103. Problem?

[ecstatic]

61. To those trolls I say this: I've seen how H. Clinton puts country first.

If she were "sick," she wouldn't take the job. Period.

[davidn3600]

65. Why do you care?

Freedom of speech is still a thing in America. People can create a political site about practically anything they want.

There are lots of sites out there saying far worse things about Clinton.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. You know that my commenting on the vileness of JPR

Does not in any way impede ones first amendment rights, right?

[Adrahil]

74. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

And I've seen more vile stuff about Clinton at Jack Ass Radicals than I have qt some right wing sites. They are fucking nuts.

[geek tragedy]

75. actually, JPR is one of the most hateful anti-Clinton sites anywhere on the planet

so kudos to its owners and members, they finally accomplished something with their lives

[bettyellen]

82. Free speech there means you can say c*nt and ni**er if it's in "context". So there that.

[Dem2]

87. It's a spin-off site

There is familiarity with said posters.

But the best answer is "for the same reason you care" (to post as you did.)

[Squinch]

104. Yep. And we can comment on it.

[Rex]

66. The cons are so desperate pushing the health meme.

What gets me is anyone at JPR that says they will vote for Trump. At DI I can see it of course, but JPR? Trump is the polar opposite of Bernie Sanders. So, I can only come to one conclusion.

[redgreenandblue]

69. Lots of shit gets posted on the Internet.

Let's not pretend DU is a bastion of virtue.

I can handle being being exposed to stuff I don't agree with.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

89. false equivalency. a lot of kooky conspiracy theory stuff is not allowed on DU

a lot of stupid shit gets locked/removed and doesn't receive the same kind of encouragement.

also, please don't presume to know what i can or cannot handle. I am a queer female immigrant of color, i can handle much shit that most people cannot. however, i can also point and ridicule, which is totally what i am doing.

[redgreenandblue]

93. ...

"i can handle much shit that most people cannot"

I thought you were asking people who post on both sites about their opinions, hence my response. I did not realize the OP was supposed to be about you.

DU is a site where people can openly advocate for the worst aspects of US imperialism, and engage in incessant red-baiting, as long as a Democrat is president. If it's a choice between that and tabloid level bullshit about the Clintons, well I guess both can get old on occasion. Hence my two active accounts.

[ismnotwasm]

70. Hahaha!

Two posters ( thus far) actually voted yes. Ick.

[DemonGoddess]

72. Ick is right

I'll second that with ewwwwwww

[grossproffit]

84. No surprise. One of them is a very active poster over there.

[Squinch]

106. Pretty much who you'd expect...

OMG!

[auntpurl]

107. They've now posted a thread with a photo of Hillary

with a spot on the back of her skirt, claiming it proves she's incontinent.

I actually can't imagine being so low of a person that I would ever do something like that. About ANYONE. I really can't. I find it shocking. These are people who at some point in their lives have identified as progressive?

[The_Casual_Observer]

108. The old DUers wanted to be recognized so they kept the same handles

I never see them here anymore, which is fine by me. If I were one of them I would have changed my identity out of shame for what goes on over there.

[Nye Bevan]

109. Good to see DUers slinking back here from that cesspool (nt)

[zappaman]

110. sure is a lot of stupid RhetoRic over there!

[FSogol]

111. LOL. n/t

[Bobbie Jo]

112. heh