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Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 07:49 AM Dec 2016

CLINTON won among voters that made $50,000 or less AND those said ECONOMY most important 7.3

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484


"Exit polls show Hillary Clinton winning a majority of the vote from people who told pollsters that the economy was the most important issue facing the country. What's more, in each state, a majority of voters said that was the case.

In fact, if we extend that out to every state for which we have exit polling, in 22 of those 27 states a majority of people said that the economy was the most important issue. And in 20 of those states, voters who said so preferred Hillary Clinton. In 17, in fact, a majority of those voters backed Clinton....

In nearly every state, Clinton did better (and Trump worse) with voters worried about the economy than with the overall pool of voters. (Notice how the blue slices in the smaller circles extend further than the blue slices in the larger ones.)

How can that be? How can she win a majority of the majority and still lose? Because she lost with other groups worse.

The exit poll questionnaire gave voters a choice between four options for the most important issue. Clinton was generally preferred by those who said foreign policy was the most important issue, too, but Trump was preferred by those who saw immigration or terrorism as most important. The key is the margins. On average, about 13 percent of people in the 27 states said foreign policy was most important and they preferred Clinton by an average of 30 points.

On average, voters who said the economy was most important preferred Clinton by 7.3.

But on terrorism, rated most important by a fifth of voters, on average, Trump led by an average of 21.8 points. On immigration (most important to an average of 12.2 percent of respondents)? A huge 42.1 percentage point lead for Trump."



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/02/in-nearly-every-swing-state-voters-preferred-hillary-clinton-on-the-economy/?utm_term=.3428cb06d380


Who voted for Donald Trump? Mostly white men and women, voting data reveals


White men and white women. White men and women with degrees, and without. White men and women with more than $50,000.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/who-voted-for-donald-trump-white-men-and-women-most-responsible-for-new-president-elect-voting-data-a7407996.html


White and wealthy voters gave victory to Donald Trump, exit polls show
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls
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CLINTON won among voters that made $50,000 or less AND those said ECONOMY most important 7.3 (Original Post) Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 OP
and now it will be more of trickle down horror for so many riversedge Dec 2016 #1
... Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #2
k&r tammywammy Dec 2016 #3
KnR! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #4
A Trumpster said this morning that if you take California out that doc03 Dec 2016 #5
Why Bush v. Gore might mean that Clinton should be president: The EP argument against winner-take-al Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #6
I just edited last post, I just heard the second person repeat that. I guess they heard it on doc03 Dec 2016 #7
I made an OP of the last article. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #8
Can't take California out though... it is a state just like any other state. Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2016 #9
That will be a legitimate argument if/when California secedes. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #12
So she won with the DNC's core base; working class people ... sigh... wtf, this election is so uponit7771 Dec 2016 #10
The "working class whites/economic messaging" narrative never stood up to scrutiny. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #11
Wow! Thanks for the link/OP/posting Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #14
Those promoting the thought we ignored the economy and white males... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #13
KnR! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #15
KnR! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #16
Notice how the people who have all the answers for the Democratic Party BainsBane Dec 2016 #17
I know. duffyduff Dec 2016 #19
But, but, but duffyduff Dec 2016 #18
k/r Dawson Leery Dec 2016 #20
Kicking! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #21
The same polls that said Hillary would win easily? I don't trust polls anymore. realmirage Dec 2016 #22
Okee! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #23
You mean the folks dug up by visiting reporters to fit their narrative? bettyellen Dec 2016 #24
Ironically, our economy has improved so much Nevernose Dec 2016 #25
These Trump voters believe THEY are the REAL working class. raging moderate Dec 2016 #26
I know we have to examine why we lost, but I think the real reason isn't something you can control. napi21 Dec 2016 #27

doc03

(36,713 posts)
5. A Trumpster said this morning that if you take California out that
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:15 AM
Dec 2016

Trump won both the popular and electoral vote. Well it must have been on Fox, I am sitting at McDonalds and I just heard a second person
repeat the same thing.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
6. Why Bush v. Gore might mean that Clinton should be president: The EP argument against winner-take-al
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:19 AM
Dec 2016

Why Bush v. Gore might mean that Clinton should be president: The EP argument against winner-take-all: #1p1vote

https://twitter.com/lessig/status/805426166433742850


The Equal Protection argument against “winner take all” in the Electoral College

It’s perfectly clear that the Attorney General of New York or California could walk into the Supreme Court tomorrow, and ask the Court to hear the case. Delaware tried to do this exactly fifty years ago, but the Court ducked the question. But based on that complaint, were I a citizen of California, I’d ask my current AG (and future Senator) why hasn’t CA done the same thing? And were I a citizen of New York, I’d ask my AG the same. Why are these big states standing by quietly as their voters are essentially silenced by the unconstitutional inequality?


https://medium.com/lessig/the-equal-protection-argument-against-winner-take-all-in-the-electoral-college-b09e8a49d777#.kyqhlyifa

doc03

(36,713 posts)
7. I just edited last post, I just heard the second person repeat that. I guess they heard it on
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 09:24 AM
Dec 2016

Fox. Well if we eliminated the south the Republicans would never win anything.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
9. Can't take California out though... it is a state just like any other state.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:41 AM
Dec 2016

Seems kind of stupid like they want to pretend he won the popular vote too... (just don't pay attention to California because they don't matter). They got what they wanted. I can't understand what is wrong with these people. The sorest winners ever. I've seen it before in these tea party types though. They are relentless assholes. The mayor of my city got in office the first time by just barely winning a run off election against a dead man. His opponent died just a few days prior to the runoff election. You'd think the winner would be gracious, respectful and kind when speaking of his opponent who not only lost the election, but lost his life just a few days prior. You'd think that, but you would be wrong. Nope, pretty much the first thing out of this guy's mouth after he won was some complaint about his opponent running a dirty campaign... blah, blah, blah. It was total shit, but even if it was true, why bring it up anyway? You won. The other man is dead. These people are all about beating the dead horse... or man.

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
12. That will be a legitimate argument if/when California secedes.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:41 PM
Dec 2016

For now, it's ridiculous. It's a state just like every other state.

uponit7771

(91,768 posts)
10. So she won with the DNC's core base; working class people ... sigh... wtf, this election is so
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:09 PM
Dec 2016

... drenched with fraud

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. Those promoting the thought we ignored the economy and white males...
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:41 PM
Dec 2016

Have become transparent. They are the same group that made excuse after excuse about a monolithic campaign in the primaries that didn't represent the party as a whole.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
18. But, but, but
Sat Dec 10, 2016, 08:20 PM
Dec 2016

She didn't win the white dudes in the rust belt, and we KNOW they didn't vote because they were bigots and idiots.

Facts don't matter with that narrative.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
22. The same polls that said Hillary would win easily? I don't trust polls anymore.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:05 PM
Dec 2016

I trust what I hear people saying in interviews, and what people in the rust belt have been saying to those who will actually listen. That liberal southern guy on Bill Maher's last episode before his break was trying to explain what happened in the rust belt, half the panel didn't want to hear it

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
24. You mean the folks dug up by visiting reporters to fit their narrative?
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 08:39 PM
Dec 2016

You know that they show up with a theme in mind and it wasn't thorny stuff that requires some self reflection like immigration or terrorism- (which were Trumps most popular policies) it was something they could can into a nice little thirty minute "lesson" for the Dems.

Have you noticed not one single person gets questioned about the "wall" or muslims? They want to pretend we never saw that ugliness because they don't know how to discuss it without offending viewers.

They continue to manipulate us.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
25. Ironically, our economy has improved so much
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:04 PM
Dec 2016

Under Obama's leadership that there weren't enough voters motivated by economic fears.

I wish it was "ha ha" irony and not "now I'm clinically depressed" irony.

raging moderate

(4,503 posts)
26. These Trump voters believe THEY are the REAL working class.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:09 PM
Dec 2016

I once read a book by one of these little snobs (a woman!) who argued that lower-paid jobs were not really work, they were only labor, and did not deserve respect. It is Ayn Rand's evil influence permeating our culture, insidiously.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
27. I know we have to examine why we lost, but I think the real reason isn't something you can control.
Sun Dec 11, 2016, 09:21 PM
Dec 2016

I think the Con won because he's a trained TV Star. Before you call me an idiot, think about this. Reagan won, and was loved by a lot of people, and HE TOO was a trained movie star.

Both learned how to make people like you! Yes, manipulate them! think some people are more adaptable to being able to do that, and some wouldn't ever be able to pull it off.

I really like Hillary and I trust her, but I was apparently in the minority. But then, I ignored all the BS the Pubs threw t her for 25 years, and many other people couldn't. They said, with all those accusations, there HAS to something. It didn't matter that she was the most experienced candidate, running against the LEAST KNOWLEDGABLE candidate EVER!

Is it insane to think about training our Dems, at all levels, how to make people like you?

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