ok so here it is

[rtracey]

Ok so here it is... Thanks whoever decided Trump is going to be a better president then Clinton... you know who you are and I hope you get screwed.

Stein votes/Trump margin:
MI: 51,463/10,704
PA: 49,678/46,765
WI: 31,006/22,177

enough said

[FBaggins]

1. Faulty premise

You can't assume that Stein votes would have gone for Clinton if Stein wasn't on the ballot.

[boston bean]

2. Are you saying they would have went for trump?

[FBaggins]

3. Of course not

You can't think of any other possibilities?

[boston bean]

4. So many or most were anyone but hillary?

If that is the case they were voters who never could be reached and are self fulfilling prophecy deadenders who are to blame for trump. Lefties to pure to vote for the most left candidate capable of defeating trump.

[FBaggins]

5. Having trouble with logic this morning?

This was the first national election where both major candidates had negative approval numbers. There were hundreds of thousands of people who showed up to vote for local races and didn't even vote for President. There isn't any reason that these (or the Johnson voters) would necessarily have voted for either major-party candidate had it been a two-way race.

There were also millions who voted in 2012 or 2008 who saw no reason to turn out for any of the candidates this time around.

If Hillary failed to appeal to them, it's folly to blame them and not her.

[boston bean]

7. Millions were disenfranchised. Still she has the highest number of votes of any white man.

Ever to run for the presidency.

I suggest you look at numbers of 3rd party voters in 2016 compared to 2012 or 2008.

[FBaggins]

8. Was there supposed to be a relevant point in there?

It may have been deleted.

Why does her vote total matter compared to candidates of particular color/gender who she didn't run against? She had more votes than Dewey and Truman combined... does that matter?

I suggest you look at numbers of 3rd party voters in 2016 compared to 2012 or 2008.

Why? Different issues/candidates/years/economies/issues/etc... mean differing turnout and voter preferences.

The key point you're missing is that even with a successful Democratic President to follow, the premier name in Democratic politics, and an opponent as "gadawful" as Trump... she was unable to persuade enough people to show up and vote for her in the states that she knew she needed to win (FL/NC/OH/NH/MI/WI/PA). That's on her and her campaign.

[boston bean]

10. All of them were relevant in response to your inquiries. whether you see them as relevant or not is

your perogative.

[Exilednight]

9. My guess, they probably would not have voted at all.

Why would they?

[mcar]

6. K&R