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The definitive reason why Hillary Clinton lost the 2016 presidential election (Original Post) Yavin4 Dec 2016 OP
Why do we repeat this nonsense? zstat Dec 2016 #1
Romney lost by winning 56% of white women BainsBane Dec 2016 #2
Neither Romney nor Obama is a woman Yavin4 Dec 2016 #3
It makes no sense BainsBane Dec 2016 #4
Communities of color voted for her in large majorities. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #8
Cool way to move those goalposts... LanternWaste Dec 2016 #6
You can deny hard evidence all you want. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #10
First of all, she didn't lose. Loge23 Dec 2016 #5
if she didn't lose, then why all the fuss? NRQ891 Dec 2016 #7
I'm not a conspiracy theorist type NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #11
Notice most of those states were GOP voter suppression states too uponit7771 Dec 2016 #13
There is no one reason. Orsino Dec 2016 #9
Huh? You're gonna blame it on white women? How about white men? How... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #12

zstat

(56 posts)
1. Why do we repeat this nonsense?
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:15 AM
Dec 2016

Hilary Clinton could not loose to a rigged election. That is just impossible. It is logically impossible for her to loose when it was manipulated regardless of who voted. No matter what she did, it was a no-win situation weeks before the election. We can torture ourselves over the "reasons" but you have to laugh at our stupidity for trying the find the single best reason for trumph wining. None of the reasons have any credibility if the loss was a forgone conclusion. The only question remaining on election day was, "Republican machine: how much and in what counties/states do we manipulate the voting counting to elect our man?"

Lets stop this insane search for "the reason" or "reasons" Hilary Clinton lost.

BainsBane

(54,796 posts)
2. Romney lost by winning 56% of white women
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:18 AM
Dec 2016

So your point isn't at all definitive. Instead, it's a transparent effort to blame women.

Yavin4

(36,406 posts)
3. Neither Romney nor Obama is a woman
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:32 AM
Dec 2016

White women had a historic opportunity to elect a woman and passed. Second, Romney was not a clear, ugly misogynist like Trump. Third, a majority on the SCOTUS wasn't literally hanging in the balance.

Finally, no, I'm not blaming women. I'm blaming White women for Trump's victory.

BainsBane

(54,796 posts)
4. It makes no sense
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:35 AM
Dec 2016

The numbers don't bear out your claim that it is definitive at all. As usual, the GOP electorate is comprised overwhelmingly of white men. I continue to believe we are underestimating the impact of voter suppression on communities of color.

Yavin4

(36,406 posts)
8. Communities of color voted for her in large majorities.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:47 AM
Dec 2016

White women did not. They did not vote for someone who best represented their values and interests as a woman. If they had, she would be president.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. Cool way to move those goalposts...
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:46 AM
Dec 2016

Cool way to move those goalposts, regardless of your desire to blame someone.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
5. First of all, she didn't lose.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:40 AM
Dec 2016

With a significant popular vote advantage and a relatively slim electoral deficit overall, it remains to this day very questionable whether who actually "won".
But if there was a reason, it was because trump was able to graffiti paint a former first lady, Senator, and Secretary of State as a "crooked" criminal.
Outraged and outrageous is not quite enough to describe my feelings and this dastardly flim-flam of a campaign for and by trump.

NewJeffCT

(56,840 posts)
11. I'm not a conspiracy theorist type
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:49 AM
Dec 2016

but, I am pretty sure that something went on in several swing states that swung the election to Trump. (Not just WI, MI and PA - but, NC, FL, VA and a few others. Yes, I know Clinton won VA, but it was closer than polling indicated.)

That said, I doubt anything will be able to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and I doubt anything will come of it.

But, I also think voter suppression played an even bigger role in WI, PA, FL and NC.


TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. Huh? You're gonna blame it on white women? How about white men? How...
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:02 PM
Dec 2016

about pissed off Bernie Bros?

Nonwhites who didn't vote for Hillary?

Anyone who didn't vote or voted for Stein or Bugs Bunny?



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