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mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:26 PM Dec 2016

This notion that Bernie hurt our chances of winning is nothing more than speculation

with nothing tangible to back it up.

All this talk of how he hurt Hillary's chances of winning is sheer conjecture. I would speculate that Bernie probably helped her chances, not hurt them, although just how much he helped her is anyone's guess.

What we do know for certain is that Bernie ignited excitement in an entire new segment of the population. Within that segment, there was possibly a significant number of people who already had their minds made up about Hillary long before Bernie entered the race. It's entirely possilbe that those Bernie supporters who foolishly didn't vote for Hillary in the general election might not have voted for her anyway, Bernie or no Bernie. Most of Bernie's supporters did vote for her, and there were probably a great many other voters who voted for her just because of Bernie.

Just as there are those who think Bernie had a hand in costing Hillary the election, it's just as likely that he was one of the reasons she got as many votes as she did. Maybe some of the people who voted for Hillary might not have voted at all, had Bernie not sparked their interests in the election as much as he did.

Whether he's an Independent or not, the Democratic Party is better off because of Bernie. No one has ever taken on Wall Street and the billionaire class like he has. He made a lot of people much more aware of just where the money goes, and we are much better off with him than without him.

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This notion that Bernie hurt our chances of winning is nothing more than speculation (Original Post) mtnsnake Dec 2016 OP
it's all speculation, now heaven05 Dec 2016 #1
Bernie lost the primary metroins Dec 2016 #2
Ask BoBer Susan Sarandon who she wouldn't vote for WhiteTara Dec 2016 #3
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #4
Sarandon probably wouldn't have voted for Hillary anyway, Bernie or no Bernie mtnsnake Dec 2016 #5

metroins

(2,550 posts)
2. Bernie lost the primary
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:31 PM
Dec 2016

Hillary lost the GE

You can only blame the candidates for their own failures. You can't blame Hillary for Bernies lack of strategy in the primary and you can't blame Bernie for Hillary ignoring states and not being a more populist (aka lying) candidate in the GE towards voters.

I have no idea what the affinity is of people blaming anybody other than the candidate for their loss. If the candidate lost, they did something wrong....the blame lies solely on them.

WhiteTara

(30,172 posts)
3. Ask BoBer Susan Sarandon who she wouldn't vote for
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:49 PM
Dec 2016

and told all her friends and fans not to, either. You mean like that?

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
5. Sarandon probably wouldn't have voted for Hillary anyway, Bernie or no Bernie
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016

That was one of the points I was making in my post when I said "those Bernie supporters who foolishly didn't vote for Hillary in the general election might not have voted for her anyway,"

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