After this nightmare, I am now inclined toward states rights. I know this is terribly selfish,

[still_one]

but I don't want these robber barons messing with California

[guillaumeb]

1. It is understandable, but selfish.

California is not an independent country, so what infects some states can spread to others. Better to promote the robust California economy and contrast it to Texas, touted by the GOP as a GOP paradise.

California, with high growth and high taxes, is a huge contrast to Texas with its large number of uninsured working class people and huge number of minimum wage jobs.

Make that point to the media and to politicians.

[still_one]

6. Don't get me wrong, I will still work for progressive issues, donate to the ACLU, Planned Parenthood

etc., but based on those he wants on his team, it is going to be a nightmare for the country

[guillaumeb]

7. No doubt. And my comment should not have been taken as being meant in a personal sense.

And California should be promoted as an example of how liberal ideas promote a healthier economy.

[still_one]

8. I know. The whole west coast probably. I am really angry and sick to my heart what happened, and

yes, we all need to stick together on this one, no matter what state we are from

[guillaumeb]

9. I live in Illinois, a reliably blue state.

But even here, Trump received a significant number of votes.

[still_one]

12. We have patches her in California too, the San Joaquin Valley, and Orange County. Illinois has

always been there, and they gave us a fighter in Congress, Tammy Duckworth

[Grey Lemercier]

2. I am dead serious when i say this.....

If 2018 and 2020 go in the following manner:

2018 - Rethug House majority barely dented and a 60 (or near) seat Rethug Senate Majority, and state races barely shift

2020- Shitgibbon is re-elected, Rethugs retain large majorities at all state levels (including legislatures, thus post 2020 Census redistricting guarantees Rethug US House till at least 2032), plus House and Senate

and

SCOTUS- Ginsberg dies or retires, Breyer goes too, (with added bad possible bonus of Kennedy gone too) and Trump picks those 2 or 3 MORE seats (thus 7-2 RW majority for 10, 15, 20 years)


Then California is insane to not start the process of looking at secession. The entire West coast in fact, maybe other hard Blue states as well. If all those above possibilities actually occur, the USA will take multiple decades to just get back to where they are now. It will be head top to to foot bottom a militaristic, oligarchic gangster capitalist, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, out of control fascist theocracy. De jure, not just de facto, with systemic turn-around well beyond a mere decade or 2 event horizon of correction.

Added fact to show slow rate of change (remember this was supposedly a huge CHANGE election):
In 2016 House elections, a total of 380 of the 393 House incumbents seeking re-election won, resulting in an incumbency rate of 96.7%.

If those all above, I repeat, occur, my words are, far from hyperbolic, actually an understatement.

[still_one]

4. Not sure if we could do it. I think it would require an amendment to the Constitution.

[Grey Lemercier]

11. Secession itself will be an unconstitutional act, and in order to not turn into Civil War part 2

it will take an immense amount of planning, hopefully coordination with other states who wish to leave as well, and a billion tonnes of steel for the collective nerves of all involved. Like I said, IF my scenarios (and ALL but the POTUS and thus SCOTUS partially if Ginsberg and Breyer hold on till 2021) actually occur, the pressure will be so so intense on Blue states. The theocracy/oligarchy will systematically and legally crush you and all minorities everywhere on so many levels 200 million heads will be reeling as their bodies, souls, hopes, dreams, and freedom to live a happy life are ground to dust with the full weight of the captured republic law behind it.

They literally want to turn the country into an xian mandated and buttressed technotronic plantation combined with a military empire unleashed like nothing before (save WW1 and WW2). Christian neo-feudalism, backed up by a bankster/multi-national controlled scientific dictatorship in faux-democratic disguise.

[sweetapogee]

14. this is not 1861

I think secession could, in theory be accomplished. When South Carolina seceded, the confederacy decided to keep federal property in the state for itself. So you have a state helping itself to federal property. Lincoln was trying to supply Fort Sumter, the SC militia was trying to starve the federal soldiers out. One of my ancestors was Lincoln's last ditch agent sent to try to work out a supply deal with the State of South Carolina. He was unable to accomplish his mission, thus began the shooting.

So, in my opinion, a state like CA could secede with the blessing of the federal government if they either forfeit federal property or compensate for it. Also, there would have to be agreements to allow shipping ports to remain viable and secure for the rest of the countries benefit. I do not believe that CA or any other state for that matter is in any kind of financial position to pull this off as it would be a massive expense.

[guillaumeb]

10. There is no process allowing for secession.

Unless you are referring to the US civil war.

[Grey Lemercier]

13. I replied to this above, as you were typing

[taught_me_patience]

15. If they start forcing their shit on California I'll be moving

Hopefully to Australia. Life is too short to put up with this.

[philosslayer]

16. Are you prepared to finance, and raise a standing Army...

Air Force and Navy? Because the Republic of California would need to be able to defend itself. I imagine China would view secession as quite an opportunity.

[TwilightZone]

17. "resulting in an incumbency rate of 96.7%." - but, but, anti-establishment!!

I think that claim can die now. Not that it wasn't always a bit ridiculous.

[MFM008]

3. I'm in WA

We are the left coast. The essence of the resistance.
I expect our democratic governers to do whatever they can to slow down maggots agenda.
Inslee says he's on board.

[still_one]

5. The Democratic coalition in Calilfornia said they would do everything to offset any cuts to programs

at the federal level

[aidbo]

18. Same for me here in Oregon. West coast is best coast. :)