It continues: Stricter voter identification law passes House ( Michigan)

[mfcorey1]

Wednesday night as both a way to ensure the integrity of elections is upheld and a means to erect barriers for vulnerable and minority voters.

But in the end, Republicans who sponsored and supported the bills making voter identification laws more stringent, won the day, approving the main bill in the package on mostly party line votes of 57-50. Five Republicans joined all the Democrats in opposing the bill.

“This protects the integrity of every legal citizens’ right to vote and to make sure the fraudulent votes aren’t cast,” said state Rep. Gary Glenn, R-Midland. “It seems to be a common sense requirement.”


State Rep. Lisa Lyons, R-Alto, the sponsor of the bill said in every day life, people have to show their identification for the simplest of tasks and they should do the same for voting.


"This legislation is simple: in order to have your vote count, you have to prove that you are who you say you are," she said. "The legislation perseveres the integrity of our elections and will deter and detect fraud."

Democrats, though, said the bill will disenfranchise minorities, the disabled, homeless people and other vulnerable citizens, who will most likely be unable to vote if the law passes.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/stricter-voter-identification-law-house/95125576/

[treestar]

1. Why don't we just do a drive to get

ID for the disabled, minorities, homeless people and other vulnerable citizens? They are going to need them more and more and they are entitled to them. Most states likely have IDs for people who don't drive, I know we do. The DMV issues them just as an ID and they look like driver's licenses.

[mfcorey1]

2. I totally agree!

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This is where the dems need to start their effort. Arm the people for the battle. If the repubs are going to seek to control the ballot, be ballot ready. Stop talking about why we lost and get to work.

[underthematrix]

7. AMEN

[bettyellen]

3. True but can be expensive. Many poorer people won't have the utility stubs or cash to pay for them.

If the ID is required, it should be free and fairly simple to obtain.

[treestar]

4. now funding is easy to do

look how easily Jill Stein got all that money. Crowd fund to pay for IDs for people. Now as to what it takes to prove your address, we could get them on mailing lists perhaps, depends on the state, but it could be done. There has to be at least a lease for people where they live, right? Then the homeless are another problem, but some way should be provided to show they are in the area.

[bettyellen]

5. That and also follow up to make sure they aren't purged would go a long way.

[underthematrix]

8. Then Black Wealth needs to provide support to

make sure folks have the funds needed to get the PROOF of IDENTITY they need to get IDs. We need a campaign that focuses on getting what the law requires and then we get people registered and to the polls for EVERY ELECTION!

[bettyellen]

12. Black people should fix this?

[underthematrix]

16. No this is not about black people fixing it.

This is about black people taking care of black people, making sure every black person has the means to register to vote, registers and then votes. I expect Latino, Asian, Muslims, and Jews to do the same thing.

We need to be focused, purposeful, strategic with our eyes on the prize which is restoring our Democratic Republic that was overthrown on October 28, 2016.

[bettyellen]

17. But you're saying this is on black people to fix- problems white people

Created. I'm embarrassed to read this crap here.

[underthematrix]

18. Look I'm 66 and I know white folks are not gonna fix

something that advantages them. This is about being practical. We can't change it until we're in a position to change it.

[mfcorey1]

9. Let the DNC fund it. Make sure funding is not an issue. We go fund me everything else. If Jill

Stein can raise millions for a recount, we can raise millions to id every democrat. No excuses will be accepted.

[yeoman6987]

6. I've been saying this forever

It seems better the just yakking how unfair it is. Most states have ids that are free so it may just take getting transportation to some who need it.

[Kingofalldems]

11. Got a link on that talking point?

What states have free ids?

[bettyellen]

20. Actually the cost of forms needed to obtain the ID and transportation to the ID centers are the

Problem. Apparently if the IDs are required for voting they have to be free.



http://www.brennancenter.org/publication/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification

[Kingofalldems]

21. Of course they really are not free. Poster was throwing out republican talking points.

[bettyellen]

22. Did they change the law? The specific IDs are free but some of the places you have to go

Are out of reach- some are open as few as four days a year!! That is crazy wrong.

[Kingofalldems]

23. So that makes them not free.

[uponit7771]

10. They'll just purge them, voter purging is the thing that needs to be fought first imho

[bettyellen]

13. I thought we were doing well this year- with at least three states having last minute court cases we

Won. I guess there were a few I didn't hear about. Damn it.

[uponit7771]

14. The still used the purge software and now who's going to make them responsible

[treestar]

15. How do they do that?

And how can they be stopped from doing it?

[bettyellen]

19. They have groups that appear to be about "voter integrity"

And get them to go over the rolls (but they only do this in blue areas - often targeting POC. They look for any and every reason to drop people of the rolls. They are so sloppy about it because they cast a wide net. They were stopped by getting sued this year in Florida and NC I believe... the judges saw it was a last minute thing designed to strip people of their voting rights.
One group actually sent mailers, and counted those that came back as evidence the person did not reside there.
Others looked for the same name twice or the same name as someone who was incarcerated. Also people who had not voted in a few years could be purged- but again they did it at the last minute, so they could not get back in the rolls.
Did you know that in towns with large prisons they let them count prisoners as citizens, but don't allow them to vote? The GOP exploits every angle.

[treestar]

24. They sure do

They seem to have so much more energy than we do.