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msongs

(70,178 posts)
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:10 PM Dec 2016

constitutional grounds to impeach trump? definition of "emolument" is...

from the "Free Dicitonary" - note especially the final sentence which I have put in caps:

The profit arising from office, employment, or labor; that which is received as a compensation for services, or which is annexed to the possession of office as salary, fees, and perquisites. ANY PERQUISITE, ADVANTAGE, PROFIT, or GAIN ARISING FROM THE POSSESSION OF AN OFFICE.

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constitutional grounds to impeach trump? definition of "emolument" is... (Original Post) msongs Dec 2016 OP
it certainly seems to me billymike Dec 2016 #1
Emoluments clause only applies where the gifts, etc. come from a "king, prince, or foreign state" onenote Dec 2016 #9
Someone needs to make a political cartoon of Ryan, McConnell, and Gingrich doing those Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #2
K&R mcar Dec 2016 #3
The constitutional lawyers are preparing lawsuits as we speak.. pbmus Dec 2016 #4
O I do hope this is true! billymike Dec 2016 #6
Doubtful. onenote Dec 2016 #10
I think it's an easy case to make portlander23 Dec 2016 #5
If there are enough moderates and anti-Trump conservatives to join the Democrats meow2u3 Dec 2016 #7
I hope you're right portlander23 Dec 2016 #8
we may end up with the evil pence but at least he is predictable and rationale in his own awful way msongs Dec 2016 #11

billymike

(122 posts)
1. it certainly seems to me
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:14 PM
Dec 2016

that he is already doing this, trading on his president-to-be status. And serving as a producer for NBC after he takes office!

 
2. Someone needs to make a political cartoon of Ryan, McConnell, and Gingrich doing those
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:15 PM
Dec 2016

see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil monkeys.

Even if he violates a clause not open to interpretation, like say; murdering someone in front of cameras, they won't impeach.

billymike

(122 posts)
6. O I do hope this is true!
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:34 PM
Dec 2016

I suppose it would be quite a fascinating and historic project for a lawyer to tackle.

onenote

(44,662 posts)
10. Doubtful.
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:22 PM
Dec 2016

At least not legitimate constitutional lawyers.

Leaving aside that there is no unanimity among scholars as to whether Trump's financial interests present an emoluments clause issue (for example, if a foreign head of state stays at one of the Trump hotels), and the general lack of any precedent to serve as a guideline, the bigger obstacle is that there is no way an individual can bring a suit to enforce the clause, just as there was no way the birthers could bring a suit against Obama.

Doesn't mean that people ought to be screaming about Trump's failure to follow historic norms when it comes to distancing himself from his business interests, but simply that the emoluments clause isn't a route by which private citizens could force him to do anything different.

meow2u3

(24,924 posts)
7. If there are enough moderates and anti-Trump conservatives to join the Democrats
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:38 PM
Dec 2016

Trump just might be impeached. Repugs, especially the religious nuts, really want Pence in; he's one of them.

 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
8. I hope you're right
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 04:40 PM
Dec 2016

But I wouldn't place our hopes for the future on the better angels of the House Republicans.

msongs

(70,178 posts)
11. we may end up with the evil pence but at least he is predictable and rationale in his own awful way
Mon Dec 12, 2016, 07:23 PM
Dec 2016
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