2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo, remember my Trump voting cousin?
Well, now that he started watching the news, he is super scared and has no idea what to expect from Trump going forward. It's like he only started listening to what Trump was actually saying he would do to the economy AFTER he voted for Trump.
So, he has decided to go to college so that he will be occupied until Trump is no longer president. He thinks that if he is in school, Trump can't do anything to hurt him because of all of the programs he says Obama put into place. He also realizes that those jobs are not coming back. He no longer believes Trump is for jobs. He says that maybe Trump is scamming all of us, lol. I'm really really tired. I no longer have the energy to say, " I told you so." Too tired to rub it in. Too tired to tell him his plan is unusual and might be wasting space that someone with actual goals might need to educate themselves. He does want to take a US government class, "To learn how government works". So maybe the space won't really be wasted. He wants to learn. Baby steps. It's progress. I have heard no racist blaming of Mexicans since he realized Trump was the one taking his medicare. That's nice.
metroins
(2,550 posts)I think the only way to say "I told you so" is to talk to them after 2 years from now.
Hopefully next year I get my spine back and I can help out in the congressional races for 2018.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)okieinpain
(9,397 posts)Jean-Jacques Roussea
(475 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Keep encouraging. If we all survive Drumpf, your cousin may come out okay.
You've done well so far.
babylonsister
(171,619 posts)this is the first positive impact I've ever read trump having on someone. School is good!
Lotusflower70
(3,093 posts)It is very important to be an informed voter.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Im tired, too. But your post gave me encouragement. Thank you.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)Encouragement and support in becoming less of a dumbass is the kind of compassion that we need to promote and build on.
stillcool
(32,784 posts)getting sober...guess it kind of is.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He looks sick inside
brer cat
(26,293 posts)like-minded trump voters and send a letter to your EC representatives telling them ooops, I forgot to do my homework before the election, and now I have changed my mind.
Surely we can make some lemonade here!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)DeminPennswoods
(16,319 posts)I caught a few minutes near the end of the broadcast from Kenosha and a couple white guys on the panel of Trump voters sitting with Sanders said they were sure Trump couldn't do any of the things he said because they wouldn't pass Congress. Sanders sort of disabused that notion by saying he was IN Congress and they shouldn't be so sure. One guy even acknowledged that manufacturing jobs like the old days weren't coming back.
My take was these voters were frustrated, Trump told them what they wanted to hear, they thought a lot of it was BS but they figured they'd send a message since nothing bad would happen because someone or something would tie up all the crazy stuff in congress. They never gave a thought that bad stuff might actually happen to them and now they're going to be begging Dem senators to save them from themselves.
Laffy Kat
(16,524 posts)He was a liar. Why would they want to vote for a liar?
DeminPennswoods
(16,319 posts)I thought I noticed a few seconds of kind of stunned silence after that question as if they'd never given that a thought.
mcar
(43,518 posts)whose eyes are suddenly opened.
I'm also guessing there will be loads of psych studies about how these people were so easily duped.
Gothmog
(154,594 posts)Squinch
(52,784 posts)And do you think your cousin is representative of Trump voters? I'd love it if he came into office with a 10% approval rating.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I have noticed the Trump stickers dissappearing, lol
Squinch
(52,784 posts)ailsagirl
(23,802 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)He literally said, "I thought at least he would get rid of the mexicans!" I said, "you are stupid as fuck and racist with your black ass, Trump don't give a fuck about you, you're black, yiu live on Hell Street." My cousin, he is dumb. I asked him if he felt better not having medicare if mexicans got sent away, he said no, he could die. I broke down and called him forty seven different types of dumbfucks and told him how to register for classes.
ailsagirl
(23,802 posts)I'm just so discouraged about everything
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This shit is hella stressful for all of us. It's hard to understand them
ailsagirl
(23,802 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,729 posts)that they may actually be worse off under him totally deserves any sympathy. What they deserve is to be told exactly how stupid they were.
You are nicer than I would have been in regards to telling him how to register for classes.
Is this the same relative that owns a brand new SUV and expects others to buy his groceries?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)His car looks awesome, he looks miserable. I get a bit of a boost when he admits he was wrong. It aint much but its something
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,729 posts)He's an adult. He's made certain decisions. Don't bail him out.
I know how hard it can be with relatives, I've been in a similar place. But since this person has enough income to pay for an SUV, he has enough income to support himself. Hang in there.
Takket
(22,534 posts)Who are already choosing Putin over the CIA
muntrv
(14,505 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,729 posts)destroying the public K-12 schools, that she won't have a chance to hurt the secondary schools.
dhol82
(9,443 posts)For everything.
struggle4progress
(120,300 posts)meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)I made a short comment about my family is not a family that will fare well under a Trump presidency. I have 2 siblings that worked manufacturing for decades and because of bad backs and knees are on disability. One other sibling is an adult but has Asperberger's syndrome. He's high functioning enough that with assistance of county/state regional services and the income from SS as well as SS survivor benefits from my late father, he lives in the home I grew up in on his own. But dependent totally on the govt for income to buy groceries and pay utilities.
All of these family members are at a much greater risk with Trump and his anti-governement, government.
She stopped me and tried to console me by saying, "wait, wait -- Trump will make America great again!" And it was true and sincere. She really meant it as a comfort to my worry. Good God.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,729 posts)And don't let her get away with platitudes and generalities. Push her, really push her about what she thinks Trump will do.
One problem for all of us is that politicians almost always speak in generalities. We don't require that they give us specifics, and we should.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)I've had my go around with her over the decades. During the Obama years, I had to put a politics talk gag order on her. I told her if she and I are to have a harmonious relationship, we can't talk politics. That made her mad the first year I imposed it and she refused to come out for a visit - either out of anger or because she knew she couldn't control herself. But since then we have stuck to that general rule and things have been fine. I accidentally blurted out the thing about my siblings during a our phone call about Christmas and our plans.
We will go back to that gag order. She speaks in generalities, she let's Fox news form her opinions for her, and she parrots what she hears. It gets me no where but frustrated to discuss politics with her so we don't - can't.
GoCubsGo
(33,033 posts)Not that I expect most of Comrade Trump's cult followers to have this kind of epiphany...
uponit7771
(91,768 posts)... about every other freaking detail about everything else.
They're running from this issue, the Russia issue isn't good for Benedict Donald