2016 Postmortem
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Reid: 'The DNC has done nothing for state organizations
BY MARK HENSCH - 12/13/16 09:11 PM EST
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The DNC does nothing to help state organizations, he told BuzzFeed during a Tuesday interview at the Newseum in Washington, D.C. "Thats where they should be spending their time. We need the DNC to do that.
One of my fundraisers he said, The DNC is nothing but a big, dark hole," the retiring Nevada senator added. "'The money comes and goes in that hole and nothing happens, and thats right."
Reid questioned the DNC focusing its work on presidential election years....
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Bernie Sanders I think what he did is really quite remarkable. He didnt have a single fundraiser. He just raised over the internet. I would hope the people who are going to run the DNC look at that.
Read more:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/310308-reid-the-dnc-has-done-nothing-for-state-organizations
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I'm still concerned that he used the nuclear option for everything but Supreme Court and economic bills. That's concerning now that repugs only need 50 votes for cabinet positions.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I do think it would be a good position for him.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Kingofalldems
(39,205 posts)Looks like taunting from here. Am I wrong?
dsc
(52,633 posts)economic bills are passed via reconciliation which only needed 50 votes before we did the nuclear option.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I guess once in a long while a few repugs may say no to trump but otherwise he gets whatever he wants? Ugh!!!!
Kingofalldems
(39,205 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,560 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)even though Dean was successful and doesn't need on the job training.
WhiteTara
(30,172 posts)should be our DNC Chair...but
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,560 posts)yodermon
(6,147 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Seems like you are saying the op has built a reputation. That's not nice.
yodermon
(6,147 posts)the proclivity of the anti-Bernie brigade to show up and completely dismiss his message, movement and momentum by virtue of the primary scoreboard. I'm mean who wants to support a loser, right?
It's nice to see some establishment Democrats appreciating what Bernie has done and at least making some noise about trying to emulate him.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Your clarification doesn't make it any nicer. You are literally doing an aggressive and preemptive call-out. Funny enough, you wrapped the op up in it as well.
yodermon
(6,147 posts)Yes I am preemptively calling out unnamed anti-Bernie posters who always point to his loss as an excuse to dismiss his message/ strategy. It is a tangential point to the original post. Yes it is snarky.
I have no idea why you desire to put words in my mouth regarding the OP.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I agree with Reid here as well.
Maybe it would have helped if that was the cornerstone of your reply. Instead, it was about questioning members of the community here.
Though you were factually correct. Bernie lost.
In case you forgot, here is your reply in its totality.
""But Bernie LOST!!!" wait for it"
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Most of us wlll outlive Bernie, and watch Hillary take up other activities. The questions remain: Will the Party change? In what direction? How much? Right now there is too much negative attention paid to the personalities of the PE Democrats, and the "Deplorable®" unworthiness of a huge portion of the American population which, by Party definition, we must appeal to.
WhiteTara
(30,172 posts)When will he become a Democrat is my question.
yodermon
(6,147 posts)Hope that works out for ya.
dsc
(52,633 posts)the one and only job of DNC chair is to build the Democratic party.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)with a good message which millions will find appealing. Frankly, if any competent soul stands up for these changes, and adheres to the Constitution, I don't care if he/she is a member of the Free Beer Party.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)WhiteTara
(30,172 posts)doesn't sound the same to me.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)WhiteTara
(30,172 posts)and they say NO. He will not join the Party or be a part of it.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(15,044 posts)I often equate liberalism and the Democratic party, but I've seen posters here argue against that equivalency.
If liberalism is less important than party identification, then I suppose we should all start aligning ourselves with people like Andrew Jackson and not complain about his political beliefs/policies.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)he is tone-deaf when it comes to social justice. Just find what he said about Political Correctness 2 nights ago.
yodermon
(6,147 posts)and with no corporate donors(!). Instead of punching down on him from your DNC high horse, why don't you take a look at what *worked* in his campaign, as Harry Reid an Chuck Schumer are suggesting, and then leveraging that into the Democratic party going forward. He has his flaws? of course. Was he the perfect candidate? there is no such thing. But surely you recognize that he tapped into *something* that has been missing from the Democratic party for some time now.
If you're just gonna dismiss him and his message wholesale because "he lost"; well guess what: Hillary LOST so what should we do with HER strategy, hmmmmmmm?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)yodermon
(6,147 posts)People were drawn to his MESSAGE, especially the rejection of corporate money. Hell, most Bernie supporters would have been just as excited if Liz Warren had run.
We just elected a fucking self-admitted sexual assaulter and you thing picking nits about personality, personal idiosyncrasies, really MATTERS to people??
Take Bernie's message, take Liz's message, distill what worked & what inspired people, and incorporate it into the party IN PRACTICE, not lip service.
ZoomBubba
(289 posts)... "Bernie is great! Vote Bernie! Bernie Good! Hillary EVIL! Corporations EVIL! DNC EVIL! MEDIA BAD!"
All he had was a cult of personality. His message could be borrowed from any college Freshman who just discovered politics for the first time and was writing a paper about it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)...to what this Party needs to say and do than is Hillary and the Beltway Democrats. And I think most Americans recognize that. The Party is not served by ideological backsliding to where someone like LBJ is considered a leftist. (Bernie is nothing more than LBJ with a four-barrel carburetor.)
Consider what a rather establishmentarian Reid says. He indicates just how out of tourch the old Party structure is. More importantly, Sanders had a grassroots who put its money where its mouth is, and NO ONE else had that. That is a stark reality, indicating a mass movement which was and is grossly dissatisfied not just with the Party, but with the way the country is heading.
And the country is still heading that way, and those Bernie millions are STILL OUT THERE, waiting.
dsc
(52,633 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He ran against Dems and argued to change the actually rules for the race while it was going on. He didn't think about the long game.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)and looking for some Ad Money to counter the Tea Bagger Hardy,we sent e-mail after e-mail to Reid asking for some Financial help to counter Hardy's bogus Ads,deaf ears on his end. We lost our State as well as two Congressional Seats. Reid does not want to ruffle his personal friends no matter how they bash him.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)to win a national campaign. They aren't willing to do the drydock-scale overhaul that will make the Party viable everywhere. Also IMO, it is afraid to change because it would mean taking clear, bright-line stands and policy positions which might offend NOT the populace, but instead the corporations and financiers with which the Beltway has made peace over the last 40 years. Why is there a Third Way? Or a No Labels? Because the Party wants to play dodge ball with an outfit (the GOP) which has no problem labeling themselves -- and Democrats, and have been doing so for decades, and to such an extent that they virtually own over 30 states. And most of this is through default.
I tire so much of hearing people say the "Deplorables" should come to us instead of the other way around. I tire also of the idea that we shouldn't appeal to millions because they voted for a racist or misogynist, as if there are not many here in DU that have not been accused of those transgressions. You attract people with an open door and plans for betterment which are beneficial to all. Telling them to pass through an airport-like ideology scanner while grim-faced Party bureaucrats tap their feet impatiently is to turn the notion of a political party on its head!
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)what became known as the Thirteen State Campaign. We saw some of this in this go around. We knick-named it the Rahmn Emanuel Rule.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)And would have won it on Black Tuesday.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)SEIU and other Unions in a Right to work State. This past cycle was all about the Hispanic Community flexing their Voting Rights. Harry twisted the arms of the Casino Moguls to allow Primary Voting on the Stripe and that was the Game changer. Plus great Candidates not some retreaded Hack.
Iggo
(48,280 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,299 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,840 posts)1) A FULL TIME head of the DNC - nobody splitting time between Congress and heading the DNC. You'd think the failure of Tim Kaine at the head of the DNC would have told them that - but, then we get DWS afterwards.
2) The DNC Head needs to be somebody experienced at running a grassroots type of campaign.
3) We need the return of the 50 State Strategy which was killed by Rahm Emmanuel and his allies in the Senate and House.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,840 posts)we'd get Van Jones - smart, good on TV and has run a progressive organization (Color of Change). However, I have not seen his name mentioned at all except in one early article.
Lochloosa
(16,404 posts)Floridian.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Lochloosa
(16,404 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)I used to send some money to the DNC, but now with every Tom, Dick, and Sally bombarding my email account with dozens of requests for money daily, I've stopped. I gave direct donations to 5 or 6 candidates, some repeatedly. The long primary season didn't help in that respect either.
I suspect that in this age of direct donations, the DNC isn't high on many people's agenda. I used to give more to the DSCC and DCCC too, but everything's spread too thin, and I only gave each a small amount this year.
It also didn't help that there's a huge coterie of Democratic Party haters out there spreading the word that the DNC is the devil's spawn.
Everybody thinks the DNC is some big powerful organization. It's not. And it's getting weaker all the time as candidates prefer to rake in the cash directly from us chumps.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I live in Texas, and high on her list of issues was gun-control and banning assault weapons.
In Texas.
At first, I looked for signs that the mailing was from a bogus campaign, a Fifth Column intruder alert. But no. It seems her political tone-deafness exceeded that of a church bell made of cheap cement.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)including an assault weapons ban. My daughter in law is from Texas, and I know she would.
What's so weird about asking Democrats their opinions on gun control. It's a big Democratic issue. Should we rather mimic the Republicans?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)1). She or anyone can ask all they want, but politically its a no-win issue.
2). The issue is big for certain elite groups in the Party, of passing interest to some more. But there is little evidence to indicate it is a major issue.
3). No need to mimic Republicans. I have held to my pro-2A position long before the GOPers started cashing in big-time on this issue.
It's time Democrats dropped this issue, esp. since crime rates via guns are down significantly, childhood accident deaths via guns are a fraction of what they used to be, and the courts have ruled consistently in favor of 2A. This is a culture war issue whereby Democrats have proven to all how politically masochistic they are.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She couldn't have been a worse chair if she had tried.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)And how is it dispensed?
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Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)apnu
(8,790 posts)... not gonna happen right?
The Democrats worst enemy is Democrats. Never underestimate the party's ability to line up for a circular firing squad.
Iggo
(48,280 posts)Willie Pep
(841 posts)Going back to the 50-state strategy is a must. We have to contest every race even for minor positions. It is important because political culture tends to be formed at the state and local level and people have more contact with their state and local reps.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)People working at the state and local level are already working hard to learn from the Sanders campaign's successes. Hopefully the national party wakes up to the strategy before it's too late.