An important point that is getting lost amid the Russian Hacking scandal . . .

[markpkessinger]

We can certainly all agree that any attempt by a foreign government to exert influence on American elections is unacceptable, and must be thoroughly (and independently) investigated. But there remains an important point that appears to be in serious danger of being obscured. That is, that had the leaked DNC emails not revealed what they did, in fact, reveal -- i.e., a very corrupt DNC that was improperly putting a thumb on the scales on behalf of a particular candidate during the primaries -- then the leaked emails would have had little impact. By all means, let's investigate Russia's involvement. But if the Democratic Party chooses to focus only on Russia's involvement while glossing over the corruption and duplicity of the DNC, we will have failed to learn the lessons of 2016.

[Laurian]

1. Aaaarrrrgggghhhh!

Stop.

My guts are in a tangle and going back to the primary does nothing to help the current situation. I'd prefer to hear about how we can work against the Trump agenda.

[markpkessinger]

2. Part of working against the Trump agenda is learning the lessons of the 2016 election n/t

[emulatorloo]

18. We're not going to learn anything by starting with false premises n/t

[markpkessinger]

5. Also, last time i checked . . .

. . . the name of this forum IS "2016 Postmortem!"

[Eliot Rosewater]

3. DNC emails are childs play compared to anything and everything a similar rigorous

expose of Trump and GOP communications would reveal.

Anyone pushing the meme that the DNC was too corrupt to win this election, is doing the propaganda job for the republicans.

Hillary and the DNC would look like Alice in Wonderland in a fair comparison to the most corrupt group of people around, the republican party and Donald Trump.

[markpkessinger]

4. That is most certainly the case . . .

. . . but it is beside the point. If the argument is that the leak of the DNC emails influenced the election, then we can't avoid the subject of what those emails revealed.

[blue cat]

7. Whatever is revealed

Isn't as important as the Russia hacking.

[SickAndTiredOfRepubs]

12. Several good articles in today's NYTimes on Russian hacking. Also, here is a link to a white paper

This white paper is well worth the time required to read it

https://www.f-secure.com/documents/996508/1030745/dukes_whitepaper.pdf

[etherealtruth]

16. Perhaps a lesson to be learned is that cyber security needs to be a much higher priority n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

6. What utter bullshit. But please proceed. eom

[Eliot Rosewater]

9. You said what I wanted to say but you managed to do it much more succinctly.

[BSdetect]

8. Crap argument.

The "revelations" were nothing exceptional and are trivial.

Are you comparing what drumph lied about so many times with a few stupid emails?

Move on.

[markpkessinger]

11. Okay . . .

. . . I'm wrong. The 2016 election was a smashing success for the Democratic Party, and we should just continue doing what we've been doing. Certainly, we have nothing at all to learn!

[etherealtruth]

10. Oh good Lord

The DNC supported the long time Democrat. I voted for Sanders in the primary (but was fine with either one viewing each as equally flawed and equally talented).

To assume the DNC would not support the Democrat in the primary is naïve at best. The leaked emails contained no smoking gun

Had sanders won the primary he would have been fully supported by the DNC in the general ... Sanders is sophisticated enough to understand the positives and drawbacks of not "joining" a specific political party . I will guarantee that nothing in the emails came as a surprise to him.

the emails fueled the fantasies of uninformed and low information voters. They tarnished the party and Clinton merely by their existence.

[LexVegas]

13. Jesus Fucking Christ.

[jalan48]

14. I thought the Russian hacking was more than just the leaked emails.

Didn't hacking also take place after the primary?

[Orsino]

15. The favoritism expressed by certain party bigwigs was probably unavoidable...

...and I don't have a problem with it. Am sure Sanders knew what he, an outsider, was getting into.

If he'd wanted the inside lane, he could have become a Democrat a year or twenty earlier, and networked the was Clinton does.

[emulatorloo]

17. Bullshit on the "very corrupt DNC" meme.

Based on catty emails about how annoying Jeff Weaver was. (Bernie supporter here, and Weaver annoyed the hell out of me)

Every one of the alleged "smoking gun" emails was dishonesty spun by Assange and bloggers.

Read in context without the dishonest spin, they are fairly innocuous. There are no smoking guns.

There is certainly no evidence the primary was "rigged" by the DNC.

Was DWS an crappy chair? Yes.