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matt819

(10,749 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:02 PM Dec 2016

Where is President Obama on the election?

He's been awfully quiet on all the issues surrounding the election and its aftermath.

He's done nothing about Comey, while the punditocracy is placing the blame squarely on his shoulders, along with the Russian hacking.

Maybe he's doing something in the background regarding a response to the Russians, but nothing substantive in public.


And, while we're at it, where is the MSM on 100 pt headlines regarding the Russians, the pending corruption, the intimate ties with Putin, the billionaire cabinet, the utterly treasonous behavior by what was once the GOP, the cricket silence from the so-called mainstream Republicans, and more. It's all just sort of news, as if this is normal. I guess we all learned nothing from the rise of the Third Reich. Because we're seeing something damn near comparable now, and it's ho hum all around.

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Where is President Obama on the election? (Original Post) matt819 Dec 2016 OP
Being the bipartisan adult in the room. vi5 Dec 2016 #1
Yep! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #4
"Maybe if we had been allowed to be more critical of him " NCTraveler Dec 2016 #7
It was slightly hyperbolic.... vi5 Dec 2016 #9
Thank you for that reply. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #10
oh, please, as if anyone had complained about Comey. and Hillary got attacked for using Deplorable JI7 Dec 2016 #16
And this proves my point.... vi5 Dec 2016 #23
people did not critize him on comey JI7 Dec 2016 #24
I see/feel the SOS happening as happened in Germany. He's following Hitler's playbook. Different, RKP5637 Dec 2016 #2
Sure been quite. Wellstone ruled Dec 2016 #3
This is a great point. I agree. Joe941 Dec 2016 #5
this is so disappointing, ever since he was so nonchalant at their 1st meeting InformedElitist Dec 2016 #6
Our National Security State has dirt on everyone, including Obama. jalan48 Dec 2016 #8
So Obama is now expected to save us from Trump? He tried. No one tried harder. If you're wanting.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #11
Yeah, I've about had it with this bullshit myself RonniePudding Dec 2016 #14
People, many of whom now regret the choice they made in the GE, think that Obama can somehow.... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #15
Yeah that's the operative meme lately -- no do-overs except impeachment. ucrdem Dec 2016 #17
This is a longshot, but maybe he is being quiet right now because mtnsnake Dec 2016 #12
He owes it to his family, for one thing. Plus he might hope to have some influence lostnfound Dec 2016 #13
why doesn't Obama stop making white people be racist JI7 Dec 2016 #18
He and the rest of the Dems are watching Trump self-destruct. duffyduff Dec 2016 #19
I still maintain that on January 21, 2017, President Obama will still be President philosslayer Dec 2016 #20
Omg! cwydro Dec 2016 #22
knr triron Dec 2016 #21
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
1. Being the bipartisan adult in the room.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:06 PM
Dec 2016

For all the good that has done us.

Maybe if we had been allowed to be more critical of him and "hold him accountable" about such things as appointing Comey without being lectured and yelled at for being "republican plants" or "Obama haters" then we might be in a different situation right now.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. "Maybe if we had been allowed to be more critical of him "
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:03 PM
Dec 2016

Who stopped you? DU rules? Is that what you are saying? If it weren't for DU rules things might have been different?

I don't mean to assume such foolishness but it is the only way I can make sense of your post.

I was critical as could be about Obama and Clinton. Right here on DU. In a very embarrassing moment that ass hat Rush used one of my OP's on his show. I was called a troll and plant. Water off my back. Don't get me wrong, I want to be liked here. I really am not big on being disliked. But it was what it was. I wasn't shown the door because my grievances were thought out and not simply ignorant and hate based.

I never thought that the rules at DU gave Obama free reign to do as he wished. I actually don't think there is any connection at all. Then again, I hope I am completely reading your post wrong.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
9. It was slightly hyperbolic....
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:12 PM
Dec 2016

No you are correct no laws or rules stopped me. But on DU, even the mildest of criticisms of Obama were met with a lot of pushback and dismissal and condescension. I know there's never going to be anything resembling consensus among any group, but the Democratic community seems to have been in a struggle for the past 8 years between people who believe in a core set of values and want to hold our elected officials to those values, regardless of both the letter after their name and also regardless of what other areas they may be "good" on and those who think we should applaud every move by every Dem. In other words, we aren't supposed to criticize Obama/Clinton/Whoever about their shitty policies on issue 1, because they've done good on issue 2.

My point being that I think we can all agree that almost all Republicans in this current climate and in this day and age are not to be trusted. So rather than raising a majority of a voice to protest or speak out against Obama choosing Comey as FBI director, we were told by a lot of people pulling from the other approach some variation or combination of "He's got this" or "He's being the adult in the room" or "This move is brilliant. It will pay dividends you just don't understand." or "Take a civics lesson" or whatever.

So maybe the correct way to phrase my post would have been "Maybe if we had been more of a unified, loyal opposition to many of Obama's more questionable moves and actions instead of just being asked by a sizable portion of Democrats to cheer louder for him, we'd be in a different boat right now."

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. Thank you for that reply.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 05:29 PM
Dec 2016

I enjoyed reading it and do agree with your overall thought. I was pretty critical about many things Obama did but I also gave him big kudos for numerous excellent moves. Campaigns have been too drawn out and DU dramatically changes during them. Being critical about Dems in a constructive manner has become difficult here. In part because of the rules and in part because it seems to have turned into a poo flinging contest. I built up my throwing arm during the games.

JI7

(90,547 posts)
16. oh, please, as if anyone had complained about Comey. and Hillary got attacked for using Deplorable
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:30 PM
Dec 2016

yeah, the problem was that obama was not attacked enough.

believe what you want.

there are different standards and there is no way a black man was going to get away with certain behavior.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
23. And this proves my point....
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 08:35 AM
Dec 2016

"attacked".

Yeah, saying that maybe appointing a partisan Republican as head of the FBI is not in the best interest of the Democratic party is an "attack".

Exactly my point. Nobody was supposed to say anything negative simply because Obama did some positive.

JI7

(90,547 posts)
24. people did not critize him on comey
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 10:26 AM
Dec 2016

And most at the fbi are right wing just like the police depts.

He was attacked for other things like all the snowden crap.And for going after binladen.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
2. I see/feel the SOS happening as happened in Germany. He's following Hitler's playbook. Different,
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 01:16 PM
Dec 2016

but some of it's the same. We're in treacherous times. MSM is no ones friend. We have few friends, and those we do have will NEVER see daylight on MSM. The role of MSM in the US is to keep the masses in the dark. The US is a propagandized nation. And then we have hate media, religious hate media, preachers for profit. No wonder the US is so perpetually fucked up. And then FBI shenanigans. The place is falling apart, and there is no loud voice except Trump.


InformedElitist

(39 posts)
6. this is so disappointing, ever since he was so nonchalant at their 1st meeting
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 03:44 PM
Dec 2016

It's one thing to continue pretending we're in the "post-partisanship" era and that the office of POTUS is to be continually respected via a peaceful transfer of power, but...

It's like he's in such a rush to move out that he's not even waiting around to get his security deposit back. This is not a passing controversy like DAPL where he said/did practically nothing for weeks. This is not a foreign policy incident where we need to "lead from behind". I strongly feel we're at the beginning of an existential crisis for the USA. I know not everyone sees it that way, and maybe I'm still overreacting to the election, but Obama is a student of history and a teacher of the Constitution. He must sense that we're in some kind of danger (and not just his own legacy), and I'm not sure what the right approach is...but a disappearing act surely isn't it.

jalan48

(14,408 posts)
8. Our National Security State has dirt on everyone, including Obama.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:21 PM
Dec 2016

My guess is that since Trump will soon be in charge, with access to sensitive information, it's better to go out without raising a fuss.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,443 posts)
11. So Obama is now expected to save us from Trump? He tried. No one tried harder. If you're wanting..
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 06:10 PM
Dec 2016

him to throw conniptions like you hear on talk radio, that ain't EVER going to happen, it's why he's at nearly 60% approval. I think some people forget that Barack Obama is both a student and teacher of constitutional law. I trust & respect him much more than I trust the people who are looking to place blame on him for not making a spectacle of himself over the outcome of this election. Just because he's not jumping up & down on the teevee, doesn't mean things aren't happening.

What would you have him say that would make you feel better? And whatever he says won't change the outcome of the election.

 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
14. Yeah, I've about had it with this bullshit myself
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:16 PM
Dec 2016

I can't imagine why anyone would want to sew division over President Obama at this point. Well, anyone but Republicans and Putinites.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,443 posts)
15. People, many of whom now regret the choice they made in the GE, think that Obama can somehow....
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:23 PM
Dec 2016

save us from ourselves. It's too late for that. We've had an election (well, sort of) and we know who the next POTUS will be. I'm not sure what Obama can say to reverse that. I read right here that there is nothing in our Constitution that provides for a "do-over".

I don't know what they want to hear from Obama at this point. Unless the electors come up with something, we should just prepare ourselves (as best we can) for President Trump.

ucrdem

(15,703 posts)
17. Yeah that's the operative meme lately -- no do-overs except impeachment.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:38 PM
Dec 2016

Which would leave Pence in charge. But I don't see any constitutional problem with pushing up the date of the electoral college vote. As set forth in the Constitution it's up to Congress when that vote takes place so it would fall to Congress to postpone it, by whatever means they chose.

Will they? Probably not, but if there was a fire under their butts, they probably would. But how to build a fire when the media are co-conspirators?

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
12. This is a longshot, but maybe he is being quiet right now because
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 06:38 PM
Dec 2016

maybe he is aware of something big that is happening behind closed doors in regards to the election, something where it's better for him to keep away from the general public until the time is right for it to all break loose. He's not the only one who's been a little quiet lately. Some of the repub heavyweights have been a little on the quiet side, too, lately. Maybe for the same reason. Maybe they all know something big about Trump and the election that we don't know yet but might know soon. You never know.

lostnfound

(16,648 posts)
13. He owes it to his family, for one thing. Plus he might hope to have some influence
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:33 PM
Dec 2016

Once the madman takes over. For example, he is entitled to continued security briefings. That's valuable in case of emergency.

JI7

(90,547 posts)
18. why doesn't Obama stop making white people be racist
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:21 PM
Dec 2016

the FBI is full of right wing racist assholes.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
19. He and the rest of the Dems are watching Trump self-destruct.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:23 PM
Dec 2016

And he will, and the GOP will be working overtime to try and control him.

The party will own him.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
20. I still maintain that on January 21, 2017, President Obama will still be President
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 12:13 AM
Dec 2016

This is not over. I'm confident the President is working with lawyers and judges in the background to find a constitutional resolution to the nightmare that would be "President Trump."

Lets not forget that President Obama is arguably the most brilliant Constitutional scholar of our time. He's got this.

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